F-15E SEAD Tactics

[YoYo]

11 hours ago, JB3DG said:

I tend to eyeball aim a little beyond the target during my run in.

I have a feeling you wrote about something else. With TOSS, you have everything planned out, including the autodrop, so you don't aim for anything. You are probably writing from CDIP or low level with AIR/SE bombs.

btw. I suspect that the CBU-97 itself flies well, but the bomblets are no longer ballistics, so they fall to a different place.

[Holbeach]

On 8/14/2023 at 11:49 AM, YoYo said:

I'm wondering if it's worth using the CBU-97 when attacking targets with TOSS technique. I don't know if it's a bug, but despite the correct marking of targets and the drop in auto mode, the boblets often fall much earlier, before the target, strange. Better results I have with LD bombs like series Mk.82.

I always chuck the whole load at the target, (SA10), so with 520 smart skeets covering a large area, it doesn'treally matter if some are early or late, most of the whole is obliterated, with hopefully the most important Tracking Radar.

82's have a narrow fall line and small splash damage, so a lot of the site gets missed.

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[JB3DG]

On 8/15/2023 at 6:15 AM, YoYo said:

I have a feeling you wrote about something else. With TOSS, you have everything planned out, including the autodrop, so you don't aim for anything. You are probably writing from CDIP or low level with AIR/SE bombs.

btw. I suspect that the CBU-97 itself flies well, but the bomblets are no longer ballistics, so they fall to a different place.

I set my target designation to be a little long of the actual target for my planned direction of attack. I get the impression the ballistics are set up to treat the CBUs as where the casing itself will hit, not where it will burst, and not accounting for the momentum of the skeets/bomblets once they leave the cannister before their chutes deploy. Also not accounting for impact angle. A low angle drop such as a TOSS would do can easily result in the skeets falling either short or long. If you come in high, I find one has to set the fuzes to a much higher deployment altitude than with a low angle drop because of the time delay of chutes opening. Too low and they will all slam into the ground before they can even open.

[GaRy0216]

Fly below 75ft AGL if you are engaging some advanced SAMs like SA10,then pop up at 5.5miles,30degree and drop CBU 97s(set fuze at 1200ft).If you have 82,then pop up at 3.5miles.Don’t forget to go 25-30 degree sideway 

[GaRy0216]

On 8/15/2023 at 7:49 PM, Holbeach said:

I always chuck the whole load at the target, (SA10), so with 520 smart skeets covering a large area, it doesn'treally matter if some are early or late, most of the whole is obliterated, with hopefully the most important Tracking Radar.

82's have a narrow fall line and small splash damage, so a lot of the site gets missed.

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Agree，97 is the best SEAD/DEAD weapon for Strike Eagle，a proper fuze setting can kick off the whole SAM system at once

[gmangnall]

I use the Harrier to take out SAMs lol

Edited August 31, 2023 by gmangnall

[Swiso]

Thanks guys !!

This thread is pure gold.

Cheers !  

[lee1hy]

Use high-resolution terrain radar to transmit coordinates to JDAM, then fly at low altitude to DIVE TOSS.

TGP is trash now, so it will be even more powerful when SNIPER POD (6 years from now? LOL) is released.

[Ignition]

6 minutes ago, lee1hy said:

Use high-resolution terrain radar to transmit coordinates to JDAM, then fly at low altitude to DIVE TOSS.

TGP is trash now, so it will be even more powerful when SNIPER POD (6 years from now? LOL) is released.

Why you say the TGP is trash?

The image is a really good representation. Sniper will be a little better but not so much.

[Loukuins]

24 minutes ago, lee1hy said:

Use high-resolution terrain radar to transmit coordinates to JDAM, then fly at low altitude to DIVE TOSS.

TGP is trash now, so it will be even more powerful when SNIPER POD (6 years from now? LOL) is released.

TGP is fine, do you use the EXP mode to have more zoom?

[Swiso]

Thanks for all the suggestions on how to employ the SE in the SEAD/DEAD/OEAD role.

I have some questions...

I am assuming correctly that for a TOSS type attack, I should always use AUTO mode while for a POP-UP I should go with CDIP ?

About the CBU's...do you regularly feel the need to modify the "Burst Time, Burst
Height or Spin" default values ?  what is the optimum burst "height" you suggest to employ for these types of attack, either toss or pop up ?

@Holbeach in this attack profile, could you have used CBU's instead of MK82AIR, or it is too low altitude for a good "spread" of the CBU's bomblets or skeets ? What did you set as "interval" ?

Thanks for any tip or suggestion.

[Njinsa]

15 hours ago, Ignition said:

Why you say the TGP is trash?

The image is a really good representation. Sniper will be a little better but not so much.

LANTIRN visual representation is far better than it was in RL, while Litening and Sniper are closer to what we have now.

WSO's words.

[Holbeach]

On 5/17/2024 at 2:07 PM, Swiso said:

Thanks for all the suggestions on how to employ the SE in the SEAD/DEAD/OEAD role.

I have some questions...

I am assuming correctly that for a TOSS type attack, I should always use AUTO mode while for a POP-UP I should go with CDIP ?

About the CBU's...do you regularly feel the need to modify the "Burst Time, Burst
Height or Spin" default values ?  what is the optimum burst "height" you suggest to employ for these types of attack, either toss or pop up ?

@Holbeach in this attack profile, could you have used CBU's instead of MK82AIR, or it is too low altitude for a good "spread" of the CBU's bomblets or skeets ? What did you set as "interval" ?

Thanks for any tip or suggestion.

I had only just bought the F-15, so I tried a whole variety of unguided weapons on my Marianas test site, which I also use for the Harrier and soon will be the Phantom.

If you know exactly where the target is, use a waypoint and Auto.

If heavily defended, I stay about 30' ASL and toss from about 4.5 nm.

If you don't know exactly where the target is, then it's a very fast low pop-up, identify and mark the target with CDIP. Risky if heavily defended.

I never altered CBU parameters.

Some things have changed since I did all this good stuff, but here is the mission you could practice with.

Chinese influence has taken over Rota and Tinian.

A missile defence system has been installed, tanks have arrived and fighters are due shortly, ahead of a Naval landing.

Anderson Field is threatened and is under surveilance from a radar station on Rota.

The air defence must be destroyed.

Harrier Mariana cbu97 sa3 ..miz

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Edited May 22, 2024 by Holbeach

[Swiso]

59 minutes ago, Holbeach said:

I had only just bought the F-15, so I tried a whole variety of unguided weapons on my Marianas test site, which I also use for the Harrier and soon will be the Phantom.

If you know exactly where the target is, use a waypoint and Auto.

If heavily defended, I stay about 30' ASL and toss from about 4.5 nm.

If you don't know exactly where the target is, then it's a very fast low pop-up, identify and mark the target with CDIP. Risky if heavily defended.

I never altered CBU parameters.

Some things have changed since I did all this good stuff, but here is the mission you could practice with.

Harrier Mariana cbu97 sa3 ..miz 1.14 MB · 3 downloads

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Thanks a lot Holbeach !

Very much appreciated.