resolved New spotting is great / New spotting is overcooked feedback thread

[BeerNfrites]

1 hour ago, Robi Hobby said:

Zooming is Cheating. I only fly in VR and never use the zoom function. Real pilots can't zoom with their Eyes either. 

I generally don’t use zoom but allow myself in the A10 as I read that it wouldn’t be uncommon for A10 pilots to use binoculars. 
 

The main problem for me with zoom in vr is that even though I have 1000s of hours in flight sims in VR, zooming can still cause me to get sick feeling. 

[SharpeXB]

6 hours ago, Robi Hobby said:

Zooming is Cheating. I only fly in VR and never use the zoom function. Real pilots can't zoom with their Eyes either. 

Zoom view is there to make up for the lack of resolution. Both in 2D and VR. If there was an eye chart in the game would you be able to read the bottom line without zoom? No. So the only way to replicate what a pilot with 20/20 vision could see is to enlarge the image. 

[=475FG= Dawger]

9 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Zoom view is there to make up for the lack of resolution. Both in 2D and VR. If there was an eye chart in the game would you be able to read the bottom line without zoom? No. So the only way to replicate what a pilot with 20/20 vision could see is to enlarge the image. 

You are getting awfully close to realizing why scaling (or a replacement object) is necessary. 
 

20/20 means you see at 20 feet what you should see at 20 feet. 
 

If zoom enlarges the image to be correct for 20/20, unzoomed is presenting objects as if they are farther away than the actual distance. 
 

 

[Enigma89]

6 hours ago, Robi Hobby said:

Zooming is Cheating. I only fly in VR and never use the zoom function. Real pilots can't zoom with their Eyes either. 

Real pylotes don't sit in front of a monitor to fly. 

[MoleUK]

Compare and contrast, a short track with and without ground units. Need to own the F-5.

Ground units will make dots disappear atm.

dots start invis.trk dots start invis - ground units removed.trk

Edited November 1, 2024 by MoleUK

[SharpeXB]

5 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

You are getting awfully close to realizing why scaling (or a replacement object) is necessary.

You don’t need to just scale up the target if you scale up the entire image. Solved. 

[=475FG= Dawger]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

You don’t need to just scale up the target if you scale up the entire image. Solved. 

Obviously, you don't have a clue as to why the image isn't already scaled up to approximate reality already. HINT: It isn't resolution.

 

[Cab]

7 hours ago, Robi Hobby said:

Zooming is Cheating. I only fly in VR and never use the zoom function. Real pilots can't zoom with their Eyes either. 

Real pilots don't fly, let alone fight, with the equivalent of 20/100 vision, either.

[SharpeXB]

2 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Obviously, you don't have a clue as to why the image isn't already scaled up to approximate reality already. HINT: It isn't resolution.

FOV is another reason for needing the variable zoom view. The “life sized” FOV of your screen would be too narrow to be practical. Some racing sim players like that but it wouldn’t be too good for flight sims where you need to look around a lot. Plus they’re probably using triple screens. 

1 minute ago, Cab said:

Real pilots don't fly, let alone fight, with the equivalent of 20/100 vision, either.

These discussions seem to reveal that many players have very poor eyesight. If they think their screen looks like reality. That means their real eyesight isn’t any better than their display. 

[Cab]

23 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

FOV is another reason for needing the variable zoom view. The “life sized” FOV of your screen would be too narrow to be practical. Some racing sim players like that but it wouldn’t be too good for flight sims where you need to look around a lot. Plus they’re probably using triple screens. 

These discussions seem to reveal that many players have very poor eyesight. If they think their screen looks like reality. That means their real eyesight isn’t any better than their display. 

Yeah, you don't get it because you don't fly in VR.

[SharpeXB]

37 minutes ago, Cab said:

Yeah, you don't get it because you don't fly in VR.

I’ve worn VR headsets, it’s like taking your glasses off you’d need the zoom view to make up for the lack of resolution. 

[MoleUK]

Relevant thread:

 

[SharpeXB]

33 minutes ago, MoleUK said:

Relevant thread:

 

Those dots are gigantic! Do people seriously need these to see anything in the game? That’s crazy. Another post here showed these appearing on targets 30 miles away

 

[MoleUK]

5 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Those dots are gigantic! Do people seriously need these to see anything in the game? That’s crazy. Another post here showed these appearing on targets 30 miles away

 

Those dots are flatscreen dots, not VR dots.

[SharpeXB]

2 minutes ago, MoleUK said:

Those dots are flatscreen dots, not VR dots.

They’re still huge! What resolution is that display?

Edited November 1, 2024 by SharpeXB

[MoleUK]

1 minute ago, SharpeXB said:

They’re still huge! What resolution is that display?

 

You'd have to ask Why.

Try both track replays if you can (just requires F-5 ownership), it's helpful to have any and all feedback re: the difference between the two.

[MoleUK]

10 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

They’re still huge! What resolution is that display?

 

I missed it in his SS, he's running at 2560x1440. No AA.

[SharpeXB]

2 hours ago, MoleUK said:

I missed it in his SS, he's running at 2560x1440. No AA.

It’s great to know that’s how other players online see you

Edited November 1, 2024 by SharpeXB

[Tippis]

4 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

It’s great to know that’s how all the other players online see you

You should probably actually read the post in question to learn why they don't. And why that's a problem.

  

5 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Zoom view is there to make up for the lack of resolution. Both in 2D and VR.

Not really, no — that's a legacy from many many years ago that lives on because we're used to having something that inherently unrealistic be part of our simulation. If it were to be implemented today, it would be to make up for the fact that your viewport is limited and variable (in 2D). In VR, resolution is to some extent a limiting factor, but that's rapidly going away. In time, the only need for zoom will be to zoom out.

Edited November 1, 2024 by Tippis

[Tippis]

3 minutes ago, Parkour said:

and the (VR) players continue to leave...

What did this season look like in previous years? Anything can be a trend and anything can be attributed to any cause if you snip the timeline just right...

[chichowalker]

My feedback.
Quest 3 Toolkit 3500x3800. No Quad views, I don't like it.
Awful and disgusting. Continue seeing unwanted dots all around my airspace. If you want it, keep it, but come on, I want to disable it completely and this option continues without working. I don't like your implementation nor your imposition to have it.


Enviado desde mi 21051182G mediante Tapatalk

[Parkour]

@BIGNEWY Does Eagle Dynamics have any plans to provide the ability to turn off Improved Spotting Dots for VR players?

[Bounti30]

15 hours ago, Parkour said:

@BIGNEWY Does Eagle Dynamics have any plans to provide the ability to turn off Improved Spotting Dots for VR players?

Don't expect any response.
The silence already says a lot.

[gorzasty]

This thread has over 1300 posts, this is crazy. You guys (Devs) know what headset is the most popular. Buy it. If you can not afford others you can borrow them for a few days. Take real pilot. Work with him for this few days. Make dots as real as possible. Dont ask people what is ok. You do sim. You do not make any wish possible.

Wysłane z mojego VOG-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka

[DoorMouse]

On 11/1/2024 at 2:05 AM, Robi Hobby said:

Zooming is Cheating. I only fly in VR and never use the zoom function. Real pilots can't zoom with their Eyes either. 

 

The human eye has better than 1080, 4k vision. The zoom is if anything the closest to your eyes actual ability to see, the default view would be like 20/200. The DCS pilot would be medically barred from flight status.