Any update on assets.

[John Day]

@Raz_Specter Hi there, is there any update on the following assets ? The Falklands war era assets were a major factor when purchasing this map and so far the promised/implied assets have been rather thin on the ground.

Ai Assets still awaiting for:

Sea Harrier FRS1, Harrier GR3, Canberra, Pucara, Sea King, Wessex, Lynx, Mirage III, Type 42 Destroyer, Type 21 Frigate, Type 22 Frigate, County Class Destroyer, Assault ships Fearless/Intrepid, SS Canberra, Oberon SSK plus many, many others.

I enclose your WIP shots for reference, any reply as to the status of these assets would be very much appreciated.

[Silver_Dragon]

No news yet, the last RAZBAM SA assets pack update was the release of 25 de Mayo CV on that year, the status of rest of assets show, has actualy unkonow, and actualy some of them none confirmed.

[rkk01]

@Raz_Specter

yes, yes, yes - absoflippinlutely

Main reason for having this map

And not only that - the Royal Navy assets would be absolutely superb for the forthcoming Kola Map

This doesn’t need to be a free asset pack - put a sensible price on it and it would fit right in with the current clamour for everything Cold War

I do confess a personal interest - a family friend served on HMS Brilliant during the Falklands conflict, and my father worked on a number of the warships and merchant ships in the Task Force

[John Day]

@rkk01

I'm the same having family members who took part in the conflict.

I too would pay for an assets pack so long as it contained at least the main ships that took part.

I think the bottom line is that there will be no more assets, what other reason is there for a total wall of silence for the past two years every time I ask the question.

Speaks volumes about Razbam as a company when they don't even have the decency to reply no matter what platform they are contacted on. Even if the answer is not what we want to hear, at least it would put the matter to rest. We have already bought the map, now that they have our money, why should they care ?

I certainly will not be buying another Razbam product if I am deemed not worthy of a simple reply from them.

[rkk01]

12 minutes ago, John Day said:

@rkk01

I'm the same having family members who took part in the conflict.

I too would pay for an assets pack so long as it contained at least the main ships that took part.

I think the bottom line is that there will be no more assets, what other reason is there for a total wall of silence for the past two years every time I ask the question.

Speaks volumes about Razbam as a company when they don't even have the decency to reply no matter what platform they are contacted on. Even if the answer is not what we want to hear, at least it would put the matter to rest. We have already bought the map, now that they have our money, why should they care ?

I certainly will not be buying another Razbam product if I am deemed not worthy of a simple reply from them.

I have to be cautiously optimistic…

The map itself does seem to be getting ongoing work, so that seems to show positive intent.

As for the SHAR and the outstanding naval assets, I can only hope that once the F-15E is mostly sorted, then Razbam can revisit.

There seems to have been a clear pivot away from 1982 when they bumped into Blue Fox radar issues, but I would truly hope that the Community can help persuade Raz that the effort could be worthwhile - the Kola map would be a great home for Cold War RN assets, including the Sea Harrier and the amphibious assault ships

… and of course, the South Atlantic is the bar steward orphan map of DCS without 1982

Edited December 11, 2023 by rkk01

[rkk01]

The really odd thing about the assets though…

… which is hopefully encouraging…

The Argentinian carrier has been added to the asset pack.  25 de Mayo firmly anchors the timeline to the 1980s as she was laid up by the mid-late 80s

Narrowing the timeline even further, the presence of ARA Santa Fe in the asset pack is only really relevant up to April 1982… when she was destroyed in South Georgia by the Royal Navy.  This vessel was a wreck post Falklands

[Northstar98]

11 hours ago, rkk01 said:

The really odd thing about the assets though…

… which is hopefully encouraging…

The Argentinian carrier has been added to the asset pack.  25 de Mayo firmly anchors the timeline to the 1980s as she was laid up by the mid-late 80s

Narrowing the timeline even further, the presence of ARA Santa Fe in the asset pack is only really relevant up to April 1982… when she was destroyed in South Georgia by the Royal Navy.  This vessel was a wreck post Falklands

What's odd about it?

The Invincible also represents as it was during the Falklands War (1980 - 1982 fit), the Castle-class also represents an early 1980s to late 1980s/1990 fit (though with completely the wrong gun). Although the latter was used as despatch vessels and guard ships for Ascension Island.

The LARC-V also fits the war.

The only assets we have that don't fit the war are HMS Achilles, Ariadne (never took part, but would've been around in the fit they're in at the time) and the Condell-class (which are in an upgraded fit (though with the wrong Phalanx Block), not sure when (Almirante Lynch still had Sea Cat circa 1999 so presumably some time later).

Andromeda did take part in the war, but not in the fit it's in (which is accurate to 1968 - 1977), from 1977 - 1980 it was substantially upgraded.

[rkk01]

18 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

What's odd about it?

The Invincible also represents as it was during the Falklands War (1980 - 1982 fit), the Castle-class also represents an early 1980s to late 1980s/1990 fit (though with completely the wrong gun). Although the latter was used as despatch vessels and guard ships for Ascension Island.

The LARC-V also fits the war.

The only assets we have that don't fit the war are HMS Achilles, Ariadne (never took part, but would've been around in the fit they're in at the time) and the Condell-class (which are in an upgraded fit (though with the wrong Phalanx Block), not sure when (Almirante Lynch still had Sea Cat circa 1999 so presumably some time later).

Andromeda did take part in the war, but not in the fit it's in (which is accurate to 1968 - 1977), from 1977 - 1980 it was substantially upgraded.

Oh, I totally agree - we are making the same point…

The “odd thing” is that the assets are clearly aimed at 1982, but others in here (esp @Silver_Dragon) are now claiming that South Atlantic is a “modern” map and not aimed at the Falklands Conflict timeline

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, rkk01 said:

Oh, I totally agree - we are making the same point…

The “odd thing” is that the assets are clearly aimed at 1982, but others in here (esp @Silver_Dragon) are now claiming that South Atlantic is a “modern” map and not aimed at the Falklands Conflict timeline

Well, with Mount Pleasant and the larger runway at Stanley is definitely post-war (mid 1980s onwards, there's probably some other stuff that's more recent - such as the wind turbines), the RRHs on Mount Kent, Mount Alice and Byron Heights are also post-war. The only real modern assets we have in the pack so far are the Condell-class and HMS Andromeda, everything else fits the timeframe.

Some of the WIP screenshots above do show more modern vessels though - that Invincible/Illustrious shown is early 2000s (no Sea Dart), the 23 looks to be late 2010s (Type 911 deleted, suggesting CAMM(M)/Sea Ceptor and Type 997), this Type 22 is a batch 3 - which is late 1980s at the earliest (first screenshot shows either a batch 1 or 2, the former is accurate to the war).

Edited December 12, 2023 by Northstar98

[John Day]

What really baffles me is the Type 42 Destroyer. Razbam have already modelled the Sea Dart, 909 FCR and 1022 SR on their Invincible class carrier, whats stopping them from doing a batch 2/3 Type 42 ? Phalanx is already in the game, surely all the code is there for these systems. For a batch 1 they would only have to remove the phalanx and model a 965 SR instead of the 1022.

[rkk01]

My personal view…

… it all revolves around the Sea Harrier 

 

Getting the SHAR modelled unlocks the whole of the 1982 scenario

With a block on the SHAR, 1982 becomes a bit pointless for air ops…(and the whole S Atlantic map concept starts to unravel)

 

Raz claim that the radar system isn’t possible due to security classification… which may well be true, but some limited “Joe Public” type internet wanderings suggest there should be info and SMEs for the 1970s Blue Fox radar in the FRS.1

(I almost wonder if civil servants at UK MoD are responding to Sea Harrier data requests on the basis of the later and genuinely sensitive Blue Vixen radar from the Sea Harrier FA.2…???)

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by rkk01

[Northstar98]

17 hours ago, John Day said:

What really baffles me is the Type 42 Destroyer. Razbam have already modelled the Sea Dart, 909 FCR and 1022 SR on their Invincible class carrier, whats stopping them from doing a batch 2/3 Type 42 ? Phalanx is already in the game, surely all the code is there for these systems. For a batch 1 they would only have to remove the phalanx and model a 965 SR instead of the 1022.

Well, there would still be a lot of geometry to do.

Another thing is that the Phalanx that they should have (and all of them were lated upgraded to have it) - DCS only has the Block 1B, when the Phalanx that's accurate to the 42s (and also Invincible from September 1982 - 1986, HMS Ark Royal from 1990 - 1999 as well as the current Condell's in their current configuration) is the Block 0 (later upgraded to Block 1A). The difference isn't trivial from either an artwork perspective or a weapons modelling perspective.

So, the only things that are really there are Type 909, Sea Dart and the Type 1022 (which also came to Batch 1 ships following refits).

[=Buccaneer=]

Don't forget HMS Bristol (my ship). Took over as Flag when Hermes limped home.

 

Be nice to see the "Red Plum" in game too. HMS Endurance. Her Wasp took out the Santa Fe with an AS 12.

Edited December 16, 2023 by =Buccaneer=

[Silver_Dragon]

I review the RAZBAM SA discord and nothing new except has movements to get funtionality as artillery unit usable to the L118 Light Gun... I put a question about the SA assets pack develop status and request any info about new units.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[F1GHTS-ON]

is it too soon to suggest that RAZBAM just focus on the Pompey based ships and not bother with the Guzz based ships?  ( awaiting incoming! ) 

 

[rkk01]

3 hours ago, F1GHTS-ON said:

is it too soon to suggest that RAZBAM just focus on the Pompey based ships and not bother with the Guzz based ships?  ( awaiting incoming! ) 

 

[=Buccaneer=]

Actually Gentlemen. In 1982 HMS Endurance was Chatham based. Not Pompey!

[=Buccaneer=]

On 12/16/2023 at 5:07 PM, F1GHTS-ON said:

is it too soon to suggest that RAZBAM just focus on the Pompey based ships and not bother with the Guzz based ships?  ( awaiting incoming! ) 

 

Do you know why Guzz is called Guzz F1GHTS-ON?

[rkk01]

3 hours ago, =Buccaneer= said:

Do you know why Guzz is called Guzz F1GHTS-ON?

Depends on which story you sign up to…

[=Buccaneer=]

MTO Plymouth wartime callsign: GUZZ

[Vähäkylä]

It would be awesome to have more things added to the asset pack. There's such a limited deck for British naval assets.

[Stratos]

I agree, we need more info on this assets.

[Silver_Dragon]

From RAZBAM Discord...
 

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they may come in an additional asset pack due to the time that was allocated to those being spent on the size and complexity of the map that the user community wanted 

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Al'XBF — 11/01/2024 8:49
It will be a free asset pack?

RAZBAM_Specter — 11/01/2024 8:51
probably not, as an example it takes a person probably about 2 to 2 1/2 months of work just for a single ship but we have not decided on this yet

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Burrito — 11/01/2024 9:20
Would these not be free with the South Atlantic map?  Or do you mean to charge everyone for the new stuff?

RAZBAM_Specter — ayer a las 22:49
currently all of the assets are included with DCS as default so irrespective if you bought the SA map you get the assets pack, this is also the only map that has assets that come with it / given to the community

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RAZBAM_Specter — ayer a las 23:10
we are currently working on a few assets which will be included for free, but they are not the ones in the screenshot which I initially commented on.

Burrito — ayer a las 23:12
Free for eveyone, or ‘free ‘ for those that have already paid for the map? Is there still an intention to provide assets exclusively with the map package? Or is the South Atlantic map just the most expensive map?

RAZBAM_Specter — ayer a las 23:13
hopefully, moving forward for those who have bought the map yes

 

 

[Stratos]

Ok, thanks, will ask there.

[Bremspropeller]

On 12/13/2023 at 12:12 PM, rkk01 said:

My personal view…

… it all revolves around the Sea Harrier 

 

Getting the SHAR modelled unlocks the whole of the 1982 scenario

With a block on the SHAR, 1982 becomes a bit pointless for air ops…(and the whole S Atlantic map concept starts to unravel)

 

Raz claim that the radar system isn’t possible due to security classification… which may well be true, but some limited “Joe Public” type internet wanderings suggest there should be info and SMEs for the 1970s Blue Fox radar in the FRS.1

(I almost wonder if civil servants at UK MoD are responding to Sea Harrier data requests on the basis of the later and genuinely sensitive Blue Vixen radar from the Sea Harrier FA.2…???)

 

 

I hear you.

But let's just play devil's advocate for a second: There's a pretty nice looking GR.3 in the pictures there, too. No sekrit radar and stuff. I'd take a GR.3 before no season-correct Harrier at all.

 

Was Atlantic Conveyor planned to be in the assets pack? I'd like it to convey my AV-8B to places, that's why I'm asking.

Yes I do know, the real one is in a "slightly used" condition...

Edited February 25 by Bremspropeller