reported earlier Multiple Petro bugs

[MorgothNL]

Hi,

With every update it seems Petro is getting more and more buggy.
The bugs that are currently happening quite consistently for me:

- Petro losing lock on a fired-at target for no reason (smooth approach and clear sight) and Petro will suddenly call out 'Missile missile'. Even though he should not be able to see those while in scope and there is no missile other than his own ATGM.
- Petro misidentifying targets (spotting friendly as enemy)
- Getting no audio tone when Petro has locked onto a target and you are aligned with the pipper. For me, I am still able to fire regardless of no tone, but others have reported they could not fire (even though they had not damage and did not break the gyro)

- Petro missing A LOT in general, even vs stationary bigger targets like a Leopard. I understand he might miss a flak gun, but a big tank while having aa 99% smooth attack run?

This video shows 3 of the above bugs in 50 sec. (Petro missing 2nd shot, petro calling missile 2nd shot, and no audio tone with pipper aligned). Less than 2 min before this he misidentified targets:

The picture added shows him seeing the barracks as enemy and truck as friendly, they are all friendly (it's from the same sortie and trackfile):

Trackfile of this specific sortie has also been added. 

 

Bugged Hind.trk

Edited March 9, 2024 by MorgothNL

[KoN]

Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one that have noticed that Petro isn't locking targets. Open flat desert and big targets and the cross hairs dance around . And plenty of misses even when in clear sight . 

[Robo76]

Yes, I am also very unhappy with the new version of Ai Petrovich. It happens that I can see the targets from the pilot's window before the Petrovich through the telescope. It only identifies the target when it's already there, and it starts firing. Or it happened to me that he swapped a locked Apache with Kamov and continued to fire at him. Ai needs a lot of work, or it should be reverted back to the old working version. Let the programmers get angry with it and debug it first, instead of trying it on players.

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[LuseKofte]

I have no such problems offline

[Flappie]

On 3/9/2024 at 12:34 PM, MorgothNL said:

Petro will suddenly call out 'Missile missile'. Even though he should not be able to see those while in scope and there is no missile other than his own ATGM.

This bug is already reported. He says this instead of "Missed".

 

On 3/9/2024 at 12:34 PM, MorgothNL said:

- Petro misidentifying targets (spotting friendly as enemy)

This is already reported.

 

On 3/9/2024 at 12:34 PM, MorgothNL said:

- Getting no audio tone when Petro has locked onto a target and you are aligned with the pipper. For me, I am still able to fire regardless of no tone, but others have reported they could not fire (even though they had not damage and did not break the gyro)

- Petro missing A LOT in general, even vs stationary bigger targets like a Leopard. I understand he might miss a flak gun, but a big tank while having aa 99% smooth attack run?

We need DCS tracks showing these issues, thanks.

[MorgothNL]

On 3/29/2024 at 9:36 PM, Flappie said:

We need DCS tracks showing these issues, thanks.

The trackfile I added shows all the issues I mentioned.
Of course it does not show petro missing A LOT, because that takes multiple track files. But honestly, this happens every single sortie. But if it is more tracks you want, I'll get more tracks of every sortie where he misses simple shots etc.

The Hind has really become much less fun to fly for the last months. Whatever you did to petro, all the issues combined make it simply frustrating. (not spotting, misidentifying, identifying when already way too close, and especially the ratio of misses)

EDIT:
Oh, and another spotting related bug (which I will get a track file for as soon as I can):
There will be a target clear as day, but petro can't see it. You then have to fly until within like 1km. Then Petro will show the text on the right top 'tank 11 o clock' for example. And now he CAN see the target if you fly away, dodge fire and try to spot it (he can now suddenly see it from 5km).

Edited April 2, 2024 by MorgothNL

[KoN]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:44 PM, MorgothNL said:

The trackfile I added shows all the issues I mentioned.
Of course it does not show petro missing A LOT, because that takes multiple track files. But honestly, this happens every single sortie. But if it is more tracks you want, I'll get more tracks of every sortie where he misses simple shots etc.

The Hind has really become much less fun to fly for the last months. Whatever you did to petro, all the issues combined make it simply frustrating. (not spotting, misidentifying, identifying when already way too close, and especially the ratio of misses)

EDIT:
Oh, and another spotting related bug (which I will get a track file for as soon as I can):
There will be a target clear as day, but petro can't see it. You then have to fly until within like 1km. Then Petro will show the text on the right top 'tank 11 o clock' for example. And now he CAN see the target if you fly away, dodge fire and try to spot it (he can now suddenly see it from 5km).

 

I'm going to Bump this again , Petro needs some work its getting quite frustrating online , Targets spotted Petro wont lock , cant see targets crosshair dances around locks then wont fire . its all very odd .

lock air targets - He wont id takes forever . By the time id target too late shot down too close to target . Open flat terrain big black blob for targets wont id .

[MorgothNL]

I'm not sure what the updates to Petro tried to achieve, but I cannot see anything that wasn't better a year ago. Bring him back to that state please. 

[primus_TR]

I have exactly the same issues as the OP regarding Petrovich failing to spot targets even at very close range. Mi24 is practically worthless in combat because of this issue. 

EDIT: So, I setup a test mission today, labels on (dots only), in winter, cloudy weather with moderate winds, no fog, no precipitation, at 10:00 am in the Caucasus. I placed 3 sets of 4 M60s at Gudauta airstrip. Coming in from the west over the sea, Petrovich spotted all of the targets about 10 kms out, and correctly identified them at around 7 kms. So, I dunno really. Sometimes it fails to spot targets 500 meters ahead, and at others, it has eagle eyes. I wish there was a clear description of the spotting algorithm for Petrovich so we can know what  to expect in a given situation.  

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by primus_TR

[MorgothNL]

13 hours ago, primus_TR said:

I have exactly the same issues as the OP regarding Petrovich failing to spot targets even at very close range. Mi24 is practically worthless in combat because of this issue. 

EDIT: So, I setup a test mission today, labels on (dots only), in winter, cloudy weather with moderate winds, no fog, no precipitation, at 10:00 am in the Caucasus. I placed 3 sets of 4 M60s at Gudauta airstrip. Coming in from the west over the sea, Petrovich spotted all of the targets about 10 kms out, and correctly identified them at around 7 kms. So, I dunno really. Sometimes it fails to spot targets 500 meters ahead, and at others, it has eagle eyes. I wish there was a clear description of the spotting algorithm for Petrovich so we can know what  to expect in a given situation.  

 

 

He failed to spot this for me the other day. It was only after I switched to rockets and overflew the target, that at some point petro said 'ground 9 o clock' and he could spot them during a next approach.

 

[KoN]

The last couple of patches have been a step backwards, I don't see any improvement in DCS . 2.9.

Last year MT hit and was a breath of fresh air , for VR players , now performance has gotten even worse, Petro blind as a bat , if I can see the target as pilot with out a scope to look through, surely Petro can see it . 

I love the hind great module. But this is it's bread and butter . 

Fix it . 

[admiki]

I don't think ATGM fight was meant to be its bread and butter, but it's just me.

[Fear-Factor]

Please fix the "Missile, MISSILE!" when he misses an ATGM instead saying "target miss".

Its ultra annoying and this could be fixed fast...do we really need to wait for "big updates"?

[KoN]

He still saying target MISS , when in fact target destroyed  . Still too slow to ID targets , I'm so close to ground targets the missile range is useless . Big black Blob in VR makes it impossible to ID . online play has become a nightmare . 

[Flappie]

2 hours ago, KoN said:

He still saying target MISS , when in fact target destroyed  . Still too slow to ID targets , I'm so close to ground targets the missile range is useless . Big black Blob in VR makes it impossible to ID . online play has become a nightmare . 

Please attach DCS tracks. Devs cannot fix these bugs if they can't see them.

[KoN]

6 hours ago, Flappie said:

Please attach DCS tracks. Devs cannot fix these bugs if they can't see them.

Flying in a server for nearly 4 hours , tracks are broken. It's easy for you join server and put VR headset on and go and fly and see for yourself . Jump in the hind and go and test . Let me know if you can ID that big black blob you got flying around, oh and wait until is just vanishes into thin air ...lol it's a  joke . 

Stopped buying modules . 

[martin.kloubek]

Problem is that you expect from others to have same issue. I have VR. I am flying that more than a year and no issue with the VR.

I guess you have bad settings. Do you have last Gfx drivers? you have good VR, in 4k should be good screen. I have HP G2, yet still my screen is very good.

 

Also i dont say that Petro is without issue, but i always found that he cannot identified already dead targets. Those alive, he always tell me. Its a "simulator" game,

so sometimes when i missed my target with fired rocket, Petro always tell me that i missed a target. But like Flappie said, without DCS track its very difficult to help you with

 

AND one thing i didnt found anywhere.......DO YOU WEAR GLASESS? VR helmet is making in your mind sence of 3D, which is mean you eyes focus like in real distances.

If you wear glasess, you may need a special "glasess" for you head set like i have.

Without them i have everything blurry like i normaly have if i dont wear glasess

[KoN]

13 hours ago, martin.kloubek said:

Problem is that you expect from others to have same issue. I have VR. I am flying that more than a year and no issue with the VR.

I guess you have bad settings. Do you have last Gfx drivers? you have good VR, in 4k should be good screen. I have HP G2, yet still my screen is very good.

 

Also i dont say that Petro is without issue, but i always found that he cannot identified already dead targets. Those alive, he always tell me. Its a "simulator" game,

so sometimes when i missed my target with fired rocket, Petro always tell me that i missed a target. But like Flappie said, without DCS track its very difficult to help you with

 

AND one thing i didnt found anywhere.......DO YOU WEAR GLASESS? VR helmet is making in your mind sence of 3D, which is mean you eyes focus like in real distances.

If you wear glasess, you may need a special "glasess" for you head set like i have.

Without them i have everything blurry like i normaly have if i dont wear glasess

Good luck 

Edited June 17, 2024 by KoN