Flagrum Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Maybe 2-3 days a year someone of the RB team shows up here, but the majority of the time we are all on our own here. Isn't this forum meant to be the place where we can seek help or support from the devs? Maybe even getting a small update on one or another topic? Iirc every couple of years the disappointment here boils up to apoint where yet another Grand Forum Drama ensues with ED firefighting, promises of changes for the better, new community liason people pushed into this mess ... and a couple of years have already passed. Again. So, what will happen with this forum? Will RB continue to not support their product(s) here? Will something change - and if, what will the timeline be? PS: please do NOT suggest using the RB Discord. Discord is a bunch of ... chat rooms. Not even remotely suitable as you only get a small snapshot of all the communication. We have threads here with open issues that are _several_ years old. How would you handle that in Discord? If I am mean, I would be inclined to think that this is even seen as a feature by some. Once a topic is older than a couple of hours or days, nobody will remember it, let alone ever find it again ... 14 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktoberfest Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I agree that Discord is not the answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-II Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Discord is mega spyware, but people just don't care. I have no time for it. 2 Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrEaSeLiTeNiN Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) 12 hours ago, Flagrum said: Maybe 2-3 days a year someone of the RB team shows up here, but the majority of the time we are all on our own here. Isn't this forum meant to be the place where we can seek help or support from the devs? Maybe even getting a small update on one or another topic? Iirc every couple of years the disappointment here boils up to apoint where yet another Grand Forum Drama ensues with ED firefighting, promises of changes for the better, new community liason people pushed into this mess ... and a couple of years have already passed. Again. So, what will happen with this forum? Will RB continue to not support their product(s) here? Will something change - and if, what will the timeline be? PS: please do NOT suggest using the RB Discord. Discord is a bunch of ... chat rooms. Not even remotely suitable as you only get a small snapshot of all the communication. We have threads here with open issues that are _several_ years old. How would you handle that in Discord? If I am mean, I would be inclined to think that this is even seen as a feature by some. Once a topic is older than a couple of hours or days, nobody will remember it, let alone ever find it again ... I agree. When the F-15E first came out I asked a bunch of questions in the F-15E forum here but got no RB/ED response and was advised later to use their discord. Why should I? This is the official forum and RB is obliged to respond to and support their customers here like everyone else. Are they not? Discord is fine for those who want to use it and does have some merit. But as you said it's just a running chatroom of mixed topics and not a suitable repository of info for learning. RB can discord all they want but they have a duty here as well. ED should manage them better in this regard. Edited May 4 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN 6 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC 8GB | 32GB Adata Spectrix D50 3600 Mhz (16x2) | Asus B550 TUF Plus Gaming | 2TB Aorus Gen4 TM Warthog HOTAS | TrackIR 5 | Windows 10 Home x64 | My HOTAS Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 In this day and age I believe the developer should choose freely which platform to use to distribute information, but I also believe this forum is important and should get attention too. I use this forum a lot, but when I entered the discord of RB I learned A LOT! from NOTSO of a lot of different topics of the F-15E, very valuable information I wouldn't be able to obtain here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFlyer Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 14 hours ago, Flagrum said: Maybe 2-3 days a year someone of the RB team shows up here, but the majority of the time we are all on our own here. Isn't this forum meant to be the place where we can seek help or support from the devs? Maybe even getting a small update on one or another topic? Iirc every couple of years the disappointment here boils up to apoint where yet another Grand Forum Drama ensues with ED firefighting, promises of changes for the better, new community liason people pushed into this mess ... and a couple of years have already passed. Again. So, what will happen with this forum? Will RB continue to not support their product(s) here? Will something change - and if, what will the timeline be? PS: please do NOT suggest using the RB Discord. Discord is a bunch of ... chat rooms. Not even remotely suitable as you only get a small snapshot of all the communication. We have threads here with open issues that are _several_ years old. How would you handle that in Discord? If I am mean, I would be inclined to think that this is even seen as a feature by some. Once a topic is older than a couple of hours or days, nobody will remember it, let alone ever find it again ... Agree with all this. RAZBAM barely even post in their own discord these days. Chat in the F15E channel is dominated by the same handful of people, generally moaning about the same topics. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dioxin Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Well you all know the answer. Doesn't help with modules you already own, but there's a simple way to avoid future module issues (if there are any future modules, of course). 1 Rig: Asus B650-GAMING PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; SN-1 Pedals; VR = Pico 4 over VD Wireless & Valve Index; Point Control v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusedspine33 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 OP they don't post here because they can't ban for valid complaints or criticism like they can on FB and Discord. Been over a year since they stopped truly supporting the Harrier. The training missions have been broken for going on 3 years. Years old bugs they have acknowledge yet refuse to address. Sad that ED allows the behavior by third parties. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrEaSeLiTeNiN Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just thinking out loud - would be great if these modules could be 'opened up' to the community after a set number of years, to fix any remaining bugs the developers won't fix and possibly enhance the module further. Like what a talented few, motivated not by money, did with that other sim. 4 1 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC 8GB | 32GB Adata Spectrix D50 3600 Mhz (16x2) | Asus B550 TUF Plus Gaming | 2TB Aorus Gen4 TM Warthog HOTAS | TrackIR 5 | Windows 10 Home x64 | My HOTAS Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 In this day and age I believe the developer should choose freely which platform to use to distribute information, but I also believe this forum is important and should get attention too. I use this forum a lot, but when I entered the discord of RB I learned A LOT! from NOTSO of a lot of different topics of the F-15E, very valuable information I wouldn't be able to obtain here.Why wouldn't you've been able to obtain it here? Discord truly sucks, unless for live chat. It has no historic value like this forum. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gierasimov Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 On 5/3/2024 at 6:22 PM, Flagrum said: So, what will happen with this forum? Will RB continue to not support their product(s) here? Will something change - and if, what will the timeline be? Will RB continue to support their products at all? Current and valid points, funny how they are not too active here but were just too fast & furious to go with RB/ED dispute publicly like they did. 3 Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 9 hours ago, MAXsenna said: Why wouldn't you've been able to obtain it here? Discord truly sucks, unless for live chat. It has no historic value like this forum. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk You just need to know how to search, it's not the best though. Discord also has threads btw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dioxin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Ignition said: Discord also has threads btw. It also has a lousy reputation for user security (and a poor attitude to it) 1 Rig: Asus B650-GAMING PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; SN-1 Pedals; VR = Pico 4 over VD Wireless & Valve Index; Point Control v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 You just need to know how to search, it's not the best though. Discord also has threads btw.I am aware, and I do know how to search. The issue is mostly that it's a chat room not really made for information. In some the threads here, I just like once in a while to read through old threads, and it's just easier to follow the conversation through less clutter. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 I just look for SME info, I'm not interested in conversations or other peoples opinion. If you use it like a forum then yeah it's not useful. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 12 hours ago, Gierasimov said: Will RB continue to support their products at all? That is the other elephant in the room. I think, the issue with their absence here should be addressed as part of it. "Support" should include "support on the official ED forums". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 Since AlphaJuliet now officially stepped down as Community Manager for the Harrier, what are Razbams plans now concerning the Harrier community here? As Razbam is now probably even less aware of what concerns are voiced here, could @BIGNEWY or @NineLine step in to help somehow? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 21 ED Team Share Posted May 21 32 minutes ago, Flagrum said: Since AlphaJuliet now officially stepped down as Community Manager for the Harrier, what are Razbams plans now concerning the Harrier community here? As Razbam is now probably even less aware of what concerns are voiced here, could @BIGNEWY or @NineLine step in to help somehow? I am sure RAZBAM will work to find someone else once everything is sorted, it sounds like he was planning on leaving for a little while so they may already have a plan in place. I know this doesn't answer much here but this is the best I have for now. Sorry. Once things get back to normal and if there is an issue we can revisit, you can ping me or DM me as we can address then. Thanks. 4 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 On 5/21/2024 at 9:06 PM, NineLine said: I am sure RAZBAM will work to find someone else once everything is sorted, it sounds like he was planning on leaving for a little while so they may already have a plan in place. I know this doesn't answer much here but this is the best I have for now. Sorry. Once things get back to normal and if there is an issue we can revisit, you can ping me or DM me as we can address then. Thanks. Hey @NineLine, thanks for visiting us outcasts here! ^^ I am not so confident that RB is working proactively to better the situation here on the Harrier forum. There was at least 1 ... 2 years of basically complete absence of any RB presence here. Yes, AJ was back then occasionally visiting us here, but the attention this forum gets from RB is more like 5 - 10% of what other RB module forums get (not to mention modules of other 3rd Party devs!). Just have a look at the reported bugs section. There are maybe 20 % of all reported bugs of the last 2 years acknowledged by RB. About 50% will be discussed only by the community to varying degrees, and the remaining got no reply at all. How many of these bug reports are actually known by the RB devs (not daring to ask "being worked on")? All of them? Most of them? A few? We don't even know, as there is no feedback! Then there is the big hold-up concerning the rework of the designation system of the AV8B. This seems to prevent the manual to be finished - as it makes no sense to document functions that will behave completely different in the future - I get that! But we are supposed to deal with this broken system regardless, without any structured documentation. Yes, there are forum postings scattered around, from years ago, with descriptions and how-tos. But even those are sometimes out-dated or subject of later introduced bugs. (Good luck scrapping all this together and getting a consistent picture of how everything is supposed to work. (And no, Chucks Docs are not an excuse!). So, how are RB's plans for this designation system rework? We don't know, as there is no feedback! I asked here again and again over the last few years. Result: nothing, silence, complete ignorance. Or more in general, since the Harrier got lesser and lesser attention - updates got smaller and smaller and intervals between them got larger and larger - how does RB see the future of the Harrier development? What is RB's plan for it? "RB will share news about it when there are news.". Great. But there are plans, right? "We will work on it, when ... if we find the time for it." is not a plan... I was hoping that they would shift a bit more attention to the Harrier and it's community here after the release of the F-15. Heck, even the Tomcat has now a more extensive manual than the Harrier ... In conclusion, my hope is, that these issues will be addressed, together with the current issues that stirred up lately between RB and ED. I am in no position to assess what is going on there now and who's fault it might be and who has to adjust their respective position in this matter. But I know that at least RB has a big open to-do in regards to how they treat the Harrier and it's community. And now would be the best time (besides "2 years ago") to get it sorted out as well. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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