F-14 A/B feature follow-up, wish list and beyond

[Tomcatter87]

13 hours ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

I would like that too, but doesn't the Navy use mostly hand signals?

I'm not sure about the carrier, but I remember an episode in the F-14 Tomcast where Crunch talks about a mishap in the Tomcat at a NAS and the crew chief [edit: PLANE CAPTAIN, of course] coming up on the intercom. Also, as I understand it, the Phantoms crew chief menu is thought to substitute hand signals, at least it says so in the menu. However I won't say no to an animated crew chief [...again, PC ] giving hand signals for my Tomcat

Edited June 24, 2024 by Tomcatter87

[draconus]

On 6/24/2024 at 9:22 AM, Tomcatter87 said:

However I won't say no to an animated crew chief giving hand signals for my Tomcat

I'd expect Plane Captain unless it's USAF base

Edited June 26, 2024 by draconus

[Tomcatter87]

Got me there You see, all that Phantom flying gets me confused now.

[draconus]

13 minutes ago, Tomcatter87 said:

Got me there You see, all that Phantom flying gets me confused now.

NP, I was corrected once and am seeing it every time since

[scommander2]

- Jester radar work and new features (v2) = Jester 2.0

This item covers "crew chief / startup functions" but not "putting on helmet".

The updated list is available at: 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2024 by scommander2

[draconus]

14 hours ago, scommander2 said:

- Jester radar work and new features (v2) = Jester 2.0

This item covers "crew chief / startup functions" but not "putting on helmet".

"Jester radar work and new features (v2)" is all about RIO AI - more independent radar work, smarter decisions, less hand holding/commanding and new features like interactive talk, more dialogs/options in his menu.

The ground crew is covered in "external equipment and crew when starting".

[scommander2]

Hi @Tomcatter87 and @draconus, the following item is added:

- [ADDED] crew chief / startup functions, i.e. ground crew is covered in "external equipment and crew when starting"

 

The updated list is available at:

 

Edited July 4, 2024 by scommander2

[draconus]

5 hours ago, scommander2 said:

- [ADDED] crew chief / startup functions, i.e. ground crew is covered in "external equipment and crew when starting"

Ok, again, slowly and calmly...

Crew Chief is in USAF, Plain Captain is in Navy, both are ground crew, both help starting the aircraft, just like HB did for F-4E. Please leave just "external equipment and ground crew when starting".

[scommander2]

Hi @draconus, okay and thanks. I just need the right wordings.

I will share the link of this following link @ discord HB F-14 general channel.

 

Edited July 2, 2024 by scommander2

[Snappy]

On 6/24/2024 at 9:44 AM, draconus said:

I'd expect Plain Captain unless it's USAF base

 

7 hours ago, draconus said:

Ok, again, slowly and calmly...

Crew Chief is in USAF, Plain Captain is in Navy, both are ground crew, both help starting the aircraft, just like HB did for F-4E. Please leave just "external equipment and ground crew when starting".

It’s „plane captain“ though (from airplane )  , not „plain captain“.

Unless you want to call him/her somewhat boring/simple.

Edited June 26, 2024 by Snappy

[draconus]

2 hours ago, Snappy said:

It’s „plane captain“ though (from airplane )  , not „plain captain“.

Thanks, totally missed it

4 hours ago, scommander2 said:

I will share the link of this following link @ discord HB F-14 general channel.

They have their own bug tracker but maybe it'll give'em a little push or they'll find something they failed to report. Was there any other idea behind the list?

[scommander2]

8 hours ago, draconus said:

They have their own bug tracker but maybe it'll give'em a little push or they'll find something they failed to report. Was there any other idea behind the list?

"push" and "report" are pretty much the main purposes behind this list.

I agree that HB must have their own tracker, and I hope that our list can help (in some degrees) so that HB can prioritize the F-14 roadmap in the future. Yes, I understand that it is software development life cycle, and it is a long way to go.... and it is our encouragement to get HB to move forward. 

Edited June 26, 2024 by scommander2

[Northstar98]

What about the more miscellaneous functions not present during Cold Start? Things like OBC and some of the other tests?

[draconus]

7 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Things like OBC and some of the other tests?

Worth adding to the To Do list. Might have been planned for the release after EA.

[scommander2]

On 7/2/2024 at 6:25 AM, Northstar98 said:

What about the more miscellaneous functions not present during Cold Start?

Beside OBC, anything else can be precise for the following item (re-wording) so that I can re-generate the complete list? 

[ ADDED ] the more miscellaneous functions not present during Cold Start?

The updated list is available at:

Thanks.

Edited July 4, 2024 by scommander2

[Northstar98]

Just now, scommander2 said:

Beside OBC, anything else can be precise for the following item (re-wording) so that I can re-generate the complete list?

It's somewhat imprecise, but what you've put would include it - IIRC it mostly relates to tests (OBC, EMER GEN test etc).

Appreciate it!

[scommander2]

On 7/2/2024 at 7:27 AM, Northstar98 said:

It's somewhat imprecise, but what you've put would include it - IIRC it mostly relates to tests (OBC, EMER GEN test etc).

Thanks a lot, and it is really helpful

The updated list is available at:

 

Edited July 4, 2024 by scommander2

[scommander2]

Just share the feedback from discord about B(U):

Exciting? 

Edited July 2, 2024 by scommander2

[Naquaii]

11 minutes ago, scommander2 said:

Just share the feedback from discord about B(U):

Exciting? 

 

Exactly as what we've said multiple times previously.

[JupiterJoe]

Aren't the Auto Throttle & ACLS/Auto-pilot lights supposed to illuminate when those systems are engaged?   It sure would make sense.  Afterall, Nose-wheel Steering illuminates when it is engaged.  It says in the manual that they're to indicate when the system dis-engages, but I don't think they come on then either.  Surely the light going out would indicate the system is disengaged?  Anyway, seems like a strange set-up to have one light illuminate to indicate it's engaged (NWS) and an adjacent light illuminate to indicate it's dis-engaged.  I doubt the NATOPS manual was 100% accurate and so this error may have been carried-over into HB's model.  It's a complex model of a very complex plane from the analogue era, so there's no shame in it.  The HB F-14 is a landmark in flight simulation.  Of course, it's far more likely I'm wrong 

Also, when doing an assisted start-up, Jester asks you to look for fluctuations on the Control Surface Position Indicator when you deploy the airbrake (partially & fully), to verify the system is working.  I don't think this is modelled. 

 

 

The lights are green in the manual, perhaps indicating there was a mis-understanding of how this system worked earlier in the build.

Edited July 3, 2024 by JupiterJoe

[draconus]

11 minutes ago, JupiterJoe said:

Aren't the Auto Throttle & ACLS/Auto-pilot lights supposed to illuminate when those systems are engaged?

No, the manual says they should warn you of disengagement of the systems. Haven't tested though.

Speed brake position is indicated on Wheels-Flaps Position Indicator:

https://heatblur.se/F-14Manual/cockpit.html#wheels-flaps-position-indicator

[JupiterJoe]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

Speed brake position is indicated on Wheels-Flaps Position Indicator:

https://heatblur.se/F-14Manual/cockpit.html#wheels-flaps-position-indicator

During the assisted start-up procedure it asks you look for fluctuations in the Control Surface Position Indicator.

3 hours ago, draconus said:

No, the manual says they should warn you of disengagement of the systems. Haven't tested though.

As I've said, the manual could be wrong.  THE NWS light doesn't illuminate when it's dis-engaged...and it's right next to Auto-throttle (which doesn't currently illuminate when it disengages anyway).  Surely the light extinguishing indicates the system is disengaged?  Just as with the NWS.  

Edited July 3, 2024 by JupiterJoe

[Naquaii]

39 minutes ago, JupiterJoe said:

Aren't the Auto Throttle & ACLS/Auto-pilot lights supposed to illuminate when those systems are engaged?   It sure would make sense.  Afterall, Nose-wheel Steering illuminates when it is engaged.  It says in the manual that they're to indicate when the system dis-engages, but I don't think they come on then either.  Surely the light going out would indicate the system is disengaged?  Anyway, seems like a strange set-up to have one light illuminate to indicate it's engaged (NWS) and an adjacent light illuminate to indicate it's dis-engaged.  I doubt the NATOPS manual was 100% accurate and so this error may have been carried-over into HB's model.  It's a complex model of a very complex plane from the analogue era, so there's no shame in it.  The HB F-14 is a landmark in flight simulation.  Of course, it's far more likely I'm wrong 

Also, when doing an assisted start-up, Jester asks you to look for fluctuations on the Control Surface Position Indicator when you deploy the airbrake (partially & fully), to verify the system is working.  I don't think this is modelled. 

 

 The lights are green in the manual, perhaps indicating there was a mis-understanding of how this system worked earlier in the build.

 

The lights were the wrong color at first, that's why they're green in the manual. They are caution lights and should thus be yellow.

And no, they shouldn't be on when the systems are engaged. The NWS ENGA light is on when the NWS is on as it's a caution for the pilot to know that it is just that, on.

The caution lights for the auto throttle and ACLS/AP are the other way around as those are systems that can disengage without pilot action, which the pilot needs to know if that happens.

 

The slight trim change in the stabilators with air brake is modelled iirc, it's just very minor and hard to see.

[JupiterJoe]

2 hours ago, Naquaii said:

The lights were the wrong color at first, that's why they're green in the manual. They are caution lights and should thus be yellow.

And no, they shouldn't be on when the systems are engaged. The NWS ENGA light is on when the NWS is on as it's a caution for the pilot to know that it is just that, on.

The caution lights for the auto throttle and ACLS/AP are the other way around as those are systems that can disengage without pilot action, which the pilot needs to know if that happens.

 

The slight trim change in the stabilators with air brake is modelled iirc, it's just very minor and hard to see.

Thank you for taking the time to respond @Naquaii.  Currently for me, neither the ACLS/AP or Auto-throttle light illuminate when disengaged. 

I don't think ACLS is working.  So it's difficult to check if the above lights are working as they should.  I just pressed the AP ref/NWS button and everything disengaged.  Can someone test ACLS and confirm it's working as it should and the lights mentioned above illuminate when disengaged?

 

EDIT:  ACLS doesn't currently work with FFB apparently.

Edited July 3, 2024 by JupiterJoe

[scommander2]

43 minutes ago, JupiterJoe said:

I just pressed the NWS button and everything disengaged.

I will assume the button and key binding is registered in the config screen when pressing down the button.

Edited July 3, 2024 by scommander2