CybrSlydr Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 I've mostly shelved the AH-64 despite buying it day one as I just wasn't enjoying it. It seems overly complex for a solo guy like me to learn and using a digital input on my throttle to control the rudder was an effort in futility. So, I went and got some rudder pedals and just tried them out tonight in the Apache training mission. GOOD LORD, the coordination needed to fly this thing is... intimidating! I think I need to decrease the sensitivity in my rudder and in my cyclic as I'm just making far too many overcorrections and getting into a lot of PIOs. And then, just when I think I'm getting the hang of it, I do something stupid and BOOM. Trying to get into a hover is proving exceptionally challenging at this point. Being able to keep the Apache from swinging left to right with the rudder is also very frustrating. Man - these pedals have opened up a completely new realm of flying and I find I'm woefully unprepared to do it. lol Going to be a long time putzing around in VR before I feel even partially competent. Big props to those of you that did this for a living! 4
scommander2 Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 15 minutes ago, CybrSlydr said: these pedals have opened up a completely new realm of flying Indeed... not just AH-64D but also other mods... 3 Spoiler Dell XPS 9730, i9-13900H, DDR5 64GB, Discrete GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080, 1+2TB M.2 SSD | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + TPR | TKIR5/TrackClipPro | Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box | Win 11 Pro
CybrSlydr Posted June 4, 2024 Author Posted June 4, 2024 It's also nice to be able to properly steer a plane on the ground, too. 4
ricktoberfest Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 13 hours ago, CybrSlydr said: I've mostly shelved the AH-64 despite buying it day one as I just wasn't enjoying it. It seems overly complex for a solo guy like me to learn and using a digital input on my throttle to control the rudder was an effort in futility. So, I went and got some rudder pedals and just tried them out tonight in the Apache training mission. GOOD LORD, the coordination needed to fly this thing is... intimidating! I think I need to decrease the sensitivity in my rudder and in my cyclic as I'm just making far too many overcorrections and getting into a lot of PIOs. And then, just when I think I'm getting the hang of it, I do something stupid and BOOM. Trying to get into a hover is proving exceptionally challenging at this point. Being able to keep the Apache from swinging left to right with the rudder is also very frustrating. Man - these pedals have opened up a completely new realm of flying and I find I'm woefully unprepared to do it. lol Going to be a long time putzing around in VR before I feel even partially competent. Big props to those of you that did this for a living! The bad part, is you will actually be worse for awhile. The good part is that when you get competent again it opens a world of possibilities. I had a hard time when I went from twist stick to rudders. Took awhile to get that muscle memory changed over. Wouldn’t go back now. 2
LuseKofte Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 If focusing being just a pilot and let George do his thing it really become pretty intuitive. As for controlling it I find it a bit wobbly in takeoff and landing, this is because I fly it very seldom. Take your time looking at yt tutorials buy a real chopper like Huey , or dl OH 6 mod. Latter became pretty good after update. It will provide good chopper handeling training. And it is quite fun flying. 1
Ramstein Posted June 6, 2024 Posted June 6, 2024 Hope the Pedals are the better High Quality Pedals, as the cheaper ones are better than none, but very lacking.. Enjoy everything with them! 1 ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI (trying to hang on for a bit longer) 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR
CybrSlydr Posted June 6, 2024 Author Posted June 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Ramstein said: Hope the Pedals are the better High Quality Pedals, as the cheaper ones are better than none, but very lacking.. Enjoy everything with them! I got the MFG Crosswind v3 and damper with the F-16-style pedals. 1
DmitriKozlowsky Posted June 7, 2024 Posted June 7, 2024 (edited) On 6/3/2024 at 9:40 PM, CybrSlydr said: I've mostly shelved the AH-64 despite buying it day one as I just wasn't enjoying it. It seems overly complex for a solo guy like me to learn and using a digital input on my throttle to control the rudder was an effort in futility. So, I went and got some rudder pedals and just tried them out tonight in the Apache training mission. GOOD LORD, the coordination needed to fly this thing is... intimidating! I think I need to decrease the sensitivity in my rudder and in my cyclic as I'm just making far too many overcorrections and getting into a lot of PIOs. And then, just when I think I'm getting the hang of it, I do something stupid and BOOM. Trying to get into a hover is proving exceptionally challenging at this point. Being able to keep the Apache from swinging left to right with the rudder is also very frustrating. Man - these pedals have opened up a completely new realm of flying and I find I'm woefully unprepared to do it. lol Going to be a long time putzing around in VR before I feel even partially competent. Big props to those of you that did this for a living! Does take perseverance and HOTAS+pedals to learn to fly DCS helicopters. Whenever I am away from DCS, as I was until recently, I refresh my basic skills in UH-1H, and basic fixed wing fast jet in F-5E. Edited June 7, 2024 by DmitriKozlowsky
Tom Kazansky Posted June 7, 2024 Posted June 7, 2024 On 6/4/2024 at 5:45 PM, ricktoberfest said: The bad part, is you will actually be worse for awhile. The good part is that when you get competent again it opens a world of possibilities. I had a hard time when I went from twist stick to rudders. Took awhile to get that muscle memory changed over. Wouldn’t go back now. +1 One thing I want to add is the blast of having toe brakes. Never thought those would make such a difference but wow, the do (after getting used to them).
jubuttib Posted June 8, 2024 Posted June 8, 2024 On 6/4/2024 at 5:40 AM, CybrSlydr said: Being able to keep the Apache from swinging left to right with the rudder is also very frustrating. This might be controversial, but here's a recommendation: On one of your MFDs press M, go to Util on the bottom row, then on the left you have the SCAS channels: Turn off the yaw channel, then clear the master caution. I have found that the yaw channel in particular is VERY active, and tends to cause oscillations on its own, and that the helicopter is a) more stable and especially b) more predictable on the yaw with the SCAS out of the way. The Apache is also to me probably the hardest helicopter to hover in the game as it stands (not impossible by any means, just harder than the others). If you want something easier to practice with, I can recommend the free OH-6A Cayuse (or Loach) mod, which in version 1.2 became really nice and stable in hover. It has no SCAS to get in the way, just you and the machine. It was fun and exhilarating in V1.0 and 1.1, but in 1.2 it's also just really damn good in a hover. The also free UH-60L Blackhawk mod is also good for practicing, being much more stable than the Apache. That one though has some things it does a bit differently, being the way that it is. Like for example it hovers with a pretty heavy nose up attitude, meaning that when taking off it'll first want to lift the nose up before the tail comes off the ground, and quite likely will try to roll forward as you're increasing the collective. Also it has a VERY powerful attitude hold setting, called FPS (don't know what it stands for) that the manual tells you to turn on, but I would recommend not using it for takeoff and hover. With FPS off, it flies like a normal helicopter, but with very effective stability control system helping you not wobble (unless you induce it).
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