P3CFE Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 (edited) I know it is a bit to much to ask, but if the eye direction in the mirror would be realistic, the reflection would be scary real i think . I mean..If you look in a mirror, your eyes wil allways look straight back at you. I can imagine that it wil be difficult to program the eye view direction so that it stays directed towards the viewer while the head is turning, but it would be great in my opinion. Again, maybe to much to ask for... but hey..Heatblur started it ! Regards.. Edited June 4, 2024 by P3CFE 2
RaisedByWolves Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 What a bunch of BS. This is literally unplayable now. I want a refund! 2
sinn Posted June 5, 2024 Posted June 5, 2024 The only way this would work as you wish it to would be in VR, if the headset being used had eye tracking, and the eye tracking was used to animate the eyes in real time. The pilot head animation isn't tied directly to the VR head position since the DCS VR view philosophy is to allow free viewpoint movement in VR even if it breaks the bounds of clipping the canopy or exceeding the limitations of the pilot model. So it could potentially work if you didn't move your head to far out of place. I'm glad it was released as is though since adding that functionality would have delayed having it all for a long time.
P3CFE Posted June 5, 2024 Author Posted June 5, 2024 (edited) I think there is no eye tracking input neccesary. The eyes in the mirror just allways look at youreself. Even if you are not looking in the mirror. (then you are not seeing it ). So the mirror would be a fixed reference point for the eye direction. Then for you it would be realistic. For somebody looking with you, it would look wrong. ..but in VR that is no factor. But again ..no Reason to ask for a refund Edited June 5, 2024 by P3CFE 2
zaelu Posted June 6, 2024 Posted June 6, 2024 +1 small thing but disturbingly basic 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Q3ark Posted June 6, 2024 Posted June 6, 2024 If it bothers you just put the shades on or drop the visor, that’s what I do, the pilot model is good but it’s a bit uncanny valley to see a reflection looking back at me that isn’t me 2
P3CFE Posted June 6, 2024 Author Posted June 6, 2024 7 hours ago, Q3ark said: If it bothers you just put the shades on or drop the visor, that’s what I do, the pilot model is good but it’s a bit uncanny valley to see a reflection looking back at me that isn’t me I know dose solutions..and it doesn't really bother me. Its just not realistic to see a first person avatar reflection not looking back. If it was more realistic and you are bothered by "the stare". ..you can drop the visor... Just joking... for that last part.., i can live with visor down. Buuuttt, if it is not a big problem to fix the eyes ..I would find that great 2
Zabuzard Posted June 12, 2024 Posted June 12, 2024 Valid suggestion. We are looking into it, but I doubt there is an easy solution to this without dropping the dynamic eye movement completely. 1
JetCat Posted June 12, 2024 Posted June 12, 2024 On 6/5/2024 at 12:43 AM, P3CFE said: I mean..If you look in a mirror, your eyes wil allways look straight back at you. Hm no, only if you look yourself in the eyes and look straight into the white of your own eyes while staring into the mirror the eyes stare direct back at you. If you check other parts of your face in the mirror (hair, nose) the eyes are not fixated at the eyes of your reflection. So it´s not unrealistic because the pilot is always looking outside or on the instruments to don´t have the eyes constantly locked at the player camera / cockpit camera. But I love your thinking and keen eye for detail! 1
zaelu Posted June 12, 2024 Posted June 12, 2024 7 hours ago, JetCat said: Hm no, only if you look yourself in the eyes and look straight into the white of your own eyes while staring into the mirror the eyes stare direct back at you. If you check other parts of your face in the mirror (hair, nose) the eyes are not fixated at the eyes of your reflection. So it´s not unrealistic because the pilot is always looking outside or on the instruments to don´t have the eyes constantly locked at the player camera / cockpit camera. But I love your thinking and keen eye for detail! I was kind of chuckling at your comment thinking how narrow, close to your face and directed towards you are those mirrors in the jet so comparing them kind of with some barber shop mirrors seemed a bit of a stretch but then I thought... wait a minute... are we supposed to be seeing our selves in those mirrors after all? Being so narrow I would say they are meant to aid in spotting movements around the canopy in the back of the plane... triggering an alarm in the brain if something was sneaking in the 6 of the plane or/and aiding at communicating with the RIO. So maybe they need (also) to be adjusted so they reflect more what they are supposed to reflect rather than the pilot? I need to jump back to the plane and see exactly how it looks [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Raisuli Posted June 12, 2024 Posted June 12, 2024 (edited) On 6/4/2024 at 4:43 PM, P3CFE said: I know it is a bit to much to ask, but if the eye direction in the mirror would be realistic, the reflection would be scary real i think . I mean..If you look in a mirror, your eyes wil allways look straight back at you. It's much, much worse than that. The color is all wrong. That's someone else's face staring back at me! Edited June 12, 2024 by Raisuli
zaelu Posted June 12, 2024 Posted June 12, 2024 27 minutes ago, Raisuli said: It's much, much worse than that. The color is all wrong. That's someone else's face staring back at me! I know for sure that there are pilots that can't accept a 1st person pilot body in VR because of the sensation they are sitting in the lap of another MAN! This while other men play Skyrim VR as woman caracter "with mods" with zero stress. To each his own... 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
P3CFE Posted June 14, 2024 Author Posted June 14, 2024 (edited) On 6/12/2024 at 12:17 PM, JetCat said: Hm no, only if you look yourself in the eyes and look straight into the white of your own eyes while staring into the mirror the eyes stare direct back at you. If you check other parts of your face in the mirror (hair, nose) the eyes are not fixated at the eyes of your reflection. So it´s not unrealistic because the pilot is always looking outside or on the instruments to don´t have the eyes constantly locked at the player camera / cockpit camera. But I love your thinking and keen eye for detail! I hear you but, as you said, If you look at your hair in the mirror you are not looking at your eyes, so you won't see the position of your eyes at that moment. I agree..Only if you look exactly straight in your eyes in the mirror, you can see the postion of your.. eyes. The FOV of real human eye is very..very small, whe only see sharp in a very small area at a time, so whe have to sweep our "Scan" constantly to get the big picture. So..in VR the eyes could allways be pointing at you..(you won,t notice that), until you look directly into the "scary" eyes of your avatar in the mirror. If i would look in the mirror into my own eyes IRL, and they would look somewhere els,..whell... THEN I WOULD BE SCARED for sure !! Edited June 14, 2024 by P3CFE
hornblower793 Posted June 14, 2024 Posted June 14, 2024 The focus area may be small, but the FOV is large for most people where peripheral vision is a key attribute Windows 11 Home ¦ Z790 AORUS Elite AX motherboard ¦ i7-13700K ¦ 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 memory @ 5600MHz ¦ Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD for OS, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for DCS ¦ MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio 24GB ¦ Virpil WarBRD base with VFX grip, Thrustmaster A10c and F/A-18 grips ¦ VKB Gunfighter Mk4 and MCG Pro ¦ Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle ¦ VKB STECS Throttle ¦ Virpil TCS rotor base with Shark and AH-64D grips ¦ MFG Crosswinds ¦ Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box ¦ Pimax Crystal
P3CFE Posted June 14, 2024 Author Posted June 14, 2024 Yepp, that is what i ment. @hornblower793, You can try it out yourself. Look in a mirror, Hide your fear, and dare to look in your mirrored eyes. You will see exactly where youre eyes are directed at (i hope). Then .. stare at the top of your head ..don't cheat. And, when looking at the top of youre head, try to make out where your eyes in the mirror are pointed at.. I found it surprising how little whe can see sharply, without moving our eyes. Pheriferal vision is very sensitive for moving things, that draws our attention en then whe can verry fast turn our eyes to sweep the area and gat a sharp picture in our head. 2
Mk1_Trebuchet Posted June 15, 2024 Posted June 15, 2024 I'll take .5% performance boost or 1% more efficient code over directed eye movement thank you. I mean really, that ask is a niche within a niche.... I've been turning them off anyway since you can't point them up to where you can actually see anything behind you, the only thing they are currently good for is checking your lip muppet. Asrock X870E Nova - AMD 9800x3d - RTX 4090 - 64GB DDR5 - (2x) Crucial T705 - Varjo Aero
zaelu Posted June 15, 2024 Posted June 15, 2024 4 hours ago, Mk1_Trebuchet said: I'll take .5% performance boost or 1% more efficient code over directed eye movement thank you. I mean really, that ask is a niche within a niche.... I've been turning them off anyway since you can't point them up to where you can actually see anything behind you, the only thing they are currently good for is checking your lip muppet. Why you feel the need to tell others what to ask for? Do you think the animator of the eyes is responsible for performance of the code? Study level Flight simming is a niche within a niche. We are in it together. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
P3CFE Posted June 15, 2024 Author Posted June 15, 2024 Again, i don't think it takes a lot of processing power to let the eyes from the mirror look back at one location ( the head of the pilot) all the time. No eye tracking necessary! But maybe i'm wrong, im not a programmer. I'll leave it to that, it is just an idea. Regards.
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