Force feedback Joystick from Moza

[petsild]

I have no objections to the moza hw and mechanical design, but in no review or test has the base been properly anchored, nor has the attachment been sized for proper hand holding.

[Aapje]

@MAXsenna

It's pretty typical for event setups to not be optimal for usage. They have other important considerations, like being able to pack things small for travel & being able to build things up and tear them down quickly.

Pointing it out can be helpful to noobs who have no idea, but discussing mounting solutions would detract from actually discussing the product itself.

And of course, briefly using it using an event is not at all a proper review, which takes days at the very least.

[MAXsenna]

@MAXsenna
It's pretty typical for event setups to not be optimal for usage. They have other important considerations, like being able to pack things small for travel & being able to build things up and tear them down quickly.
Pointing it out can be helpful to noobs who have no idea, but discussing mounting solutions would detract from actually discussing the product itself.
And of course, briefly using it using an event is not at all a proper review, which takes days at the very least.

I see that. What was good was that he used a Warbird. But why wouldn't he take off from ground, where he could clearly have shown a limp stick that would raise with the airflow over the wings. Why didn't he show a stall and how the stick reacts to this? DCS has those effects for the old FFB2! I guess I just have higher expectations. Shame on me!


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[rapid]

9 hours ago, petsild said:

The Moza mounting itself on a thin and unstable holder did not help much in the presentation.

Yes I noticed that it was wobbling all over the place. But I think they gave much thought about the mount to be honest. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by rapid

[Aapje]

Unless we get another delay, they should actually start shipping in September. They didn't specify early/mid/late, or a date, so it's probably the 30th.

At that point things should get interesting with the information we get.

[DMouse]

I have noticed that the MOZA website now says orders will ship within 10 business days after being placed. So existing orders are starting to get shipped in the next week or two?

Any thoughts anyone?

[rapid]

Yes I have seen the update my order still says : "Processing" (been stating this from I placed the order on the 28 June )International Express (12-20 Business Days)

[Aapje]

7 hours ago, DMouse said:

I have noticed that the MOZA website now says orders will ship within 10 business days after being placed. So existing orders are starting to get shipped in the next week or two?

They said that they would start shipping the orders that were placed earlier, first, so I have strong doubts that it'll actually be 10 days.

[Mr_sukebe]

7 hours ago, DMouse said:

I have noticed that the MOZA website now says orders will ship within 10 business days after being placed. So existing orders are starting to get shipped in the next week or two?

Any thoughts anyone?

 

I wouldn't count on that being 10 days post ordering now.

My assumption is that they mean 10 days post it being both released and having stock available

[rapid]

Only been waiting around 10 weeks so far lol. And still no change on my order page! They having a laugh I think.

Edited August 30, 2024 by rapid

[Aapje]

That's the preorder life.

[rapid]

7 minutes ago, Aapje said:

That's the preorder life.

ROFL Has to be a joke right?

They are yet to honour the original purchaser before they begin opening up the flood gates offering a quick turn around with their order.

If I Had an email saying your item has been posted instead of "Processing" then it would  be fine.

[Nightdare]

39 minutes ago, rapid said:

ROFL Has to be a joke right?

 

No, and I do not understand your sense of entitlement

If releasedates are pushed back, be glad, you'd be a lot less happy if they rush out the product

[Aapje]

3 hours ago, rapid said:

ROFL Has to be a joke right?

No, preordering means that you gamble that the company can finish their product in time, that they can deliver on their promises, that they deliver on expectations that you have that they never actually promised, etc, etc.

Ultimately, companies tend to treat delivery dates more as targets than hard promises. And you never know what you will actually get, until the product is in the hands of somewhat serious reviewers/customers, who put the product through its paces. The company is never going to honestly tell you the weaknesses of their product.

I already warned people here in the past to not preorder unless they were willing to gamble:

That said, I'm personally of the opinion that nobody should pre-order this base if they expect any guarantees and are not willing to take a big gamble, since the information provided by Moza is utterly insufficient to be confident that it works well enough to be value for money compared to the Rhino for any use case.

You did order before my warning, but there is a reason why you regularly see people warn against preorders. The preorder life is the life of a gambler.

3 hours ago, rapid said:

They are yet to honour the original purchaser before they begin opening up the flood gates offering a quick turn around with their order.

If I Had an email saying your item has been posted instead of "Processing" then it would  be fine.

This is a pretty weak complaint. If they don't ship those orders before yours, then you have nothing to complain about with regard to them encouraging others to order as well. And those people only have a reason to complain if they don't ship their base in 10 days.

We have no idea what their internal logistics are. For all we know, they already have a lot of units ready to go, and are waiting for the software to be good enough before they ship out the hardware.

Edited August 30, 2024 by Aapje

[Nightdare]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

. If they don't ship those orders before yours, then you have nothing to complain about with regard to them encouraging others to order as well.

 

People think that somehow "preorder" has some kind of status for a customer

No, it helps manufacturers, to estimate how much units need to be initially produced, diminishing the risk of overproduction and having to discount prices since goods are warming the shelves

[rapid]

I stand by my comment and have no intention of  making any retraction.

I have my view and you have yours . I posted my feelings on the matter so be it.

[Aapje]

@Nightdare

That's not entirely true. There are people who want the new thing first. Preorders cater to them in particular.

I'm fine with that, aside from the fact that these people very often have unreasonably high expectations. But I guess that fits with their desire to get the new thing first.

@rapid

No one asked you to retract anything. I'm not even sure who you are addressing.

[rapid]

No problem here. 

Just posting in a forum about something which I think we are all interested in  and the sooner it arrives the better.

There are other companies getting ready to release theirs too so its all good.

Monza is just one of the first out of the bunch to release theirs first and I suppose the expectation is a little high.

I wish I never threw my Sidewinder out now.

[Nightdare]

3 hours ago, Aapje said:

That's not entirely true. There are people who want the new thing first. Preorders cater to them in particular.

That is entirely true, the BS that's been fed by marketing as the 'privilege' of being the first buyers", or whatever the illusion the customers have, has nothing to do with it

The bottom line is money not being overspent on stock that will not sell, whether this be from the manufacturers' PoV or the retailers'

[rapid]

Here is a another firstlook from Flight SimHanger. !!!! only a FIRST LOOK!!!! not a full review!!!!

 

 

Edited September 1, 2024 by rapid

[rapid]

Had an email from Moza that my order has been shipped.....Your order has shipped! Thank you for choosing MOZA Racing, please don’t hesitate to get in touch regarding your order. 

But on closer inspection it turns out to be the Table  clamp which I ordered on 21 August. 

So hopefully nearly there.

[Aapje]

LOL, I hope you enjoy your empty clamp.

Seriously though, I don't get why they didn't wait to ship it with the base, which they promised would ship any day now. But perhaps there is another delay.

[Aapje]

Apparently people have been getting their base: https://old.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/1f7g7sk/moza_ab9_base_software_issues/

And they are having software issues...

[Hiob]

Well, that's no surprise.

Probably needs some time to ripe.

[rapid]

16 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Apparently people have been getting their base: https://old.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/1f7g7sk/moza_ab9_base_software_issues/

And they are having software issues...

Appreciate this, Would like to know what Firmware version he has and would have made sense to ship all items together,