Force feedback Joystick from Moza

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Passing by, off-topic: Moza, like WinWing, is a Chinese brand...

https://coachdaveacademy.com/tutorials/moza-racing-guide/

So "Chinese Knock-off" is kinda odd.

[Hammer1-1]

30 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Passing by, off-topic: Moza, like WinWing, is a Chinese brand...

https://coachdaveacademy.com/tutorials/moza-racing-guide/

So "Chinese Knock-off" is kinda odd.

well then that explains all the hate.....

[Aapje]

What I want to see is a tear down of the unit. Then you can see if they cut corners with the design of the unit.

Quality control is really only something that you can determine over time, by looking at how many people run into QA issues.

[Youtch]

2 hours ago, freehand said:

Jabba 18 mins in does a stress test.

Holding 90 seconds with open case, this is far from being a stress test.

I could not be happier for Moza to bring a winner design, but at this point we still don t know what this model has in its guts, and how long it can hold before the force drop.

Both Rhino and Brunner are suffering from overheating, even though Rhino has a fan and can hold longer.

This type of devices are prone to overheat, the question is not if it will overheat, but how long it can be fully functional under stress before reaching some overheating threshold.

 

[Stellatny45]

1 hour ago, freehand said:

Have you looked at the video ?

If you're referring to the Jabbers video seems he doesn't do warbirds much and dismisses the DCS I16 out of hand. Also, when looking at YT videos it's best to also go through the comments.

Edited September 26, 2024 by Stellatny45

[freehand]

5 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Holding 90 seconds with open case, this is far from being a stress test.

I could not be happier for Moza to bring a winner design, but at this point we still don t know what this model has in its guts, and how long it can hold before the force drop.

Both Rhino and Brunner are suffering from overheating, even though Rhino has a fan and can hold longer.

This type of devices are prone to overheat, the question is not if it will overheat, but how long it can be fully functional under stress before reaching some overheating threshold.

 

Then may be come back in a year or 3 no one knows for sure.

 

1 minute ago, Stellatny45 said:

If you're referring to the Jabbers video seems he doesn't do warbirds much and dismisses the DCS I16 out of hand. Also, when looking at YT videos it's best to also go through the comments.

 

I am not promoting anything all I know is he done vid also I do not make my decisions on yotube content lol. 

Edited September 26, 2024 by freehand

[Hiob]

Doesn’t look good to me on first sight tbh….. Apart from the kind of trashy gimbal (throwing around a motor), the absence of active cooling will become a problem imho.

Edited September 26, 2024 by Hiob

[rapid]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

Doesn’t look good to me on first sight tbh….. Apart from the kind of trashy gimbal (throwing around a motor), the absence of active cooling will become a problem imho.

 

Wouldn't that depend on the type of Motors in use?

[Stellatny45]

I'm still trying to understand why Jabbers needed the IR thermometer. Isn't motor temperature available for viewing in the Moza software?

[Deezle]

1 hour ago, Stellatny45 said:

I'm still trying to understand why Jabbers needed the IR thermometer. Isn't motor temperature available for viewing in the Moza software?

No, unfortunately.

 

5 hours ago, Youtch said:

Holding 90 seconds with open case, this is far from being a stress test.

I could not be happier for Moza to bring a winner design, but at this point we still don t know what this model has in its guts, and how long it can hold before the force drop.

Both Rhino and Brunner are suffering from overheating, even though Rhino has a fan and can hold longer.

This type of devices are prone to overheat, the question is not if it will overheat, but how long it can be fully functional under stress before reaching some overheating threshold.

 

Other than a couple reports of defective units that overheated just by being plugged in, I haven't heard a single person in the Moza Discord complain of temperature problems yet from flying. I've barely felt the tiniest bit of warmth from mine so far.

[Scott-S6]

On 9/26/2024 at 10:19 PM, freehand said:

Then may be come back in a year or 3 no one knows for sure

Don't be ridiculous, someone that has a unit could determine how long it can run without overheating very easily, all they have to do is actually use it.

Since this is such a well known issue with all FFB bases it's curious that none of the reviewers have talked about this. Either they're clueless or it's a problem and they've been told not to mention it if they want to keep getting their free stuff.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Scott-S6

[Hiob]

6 hours ago, rapid said:

Wouldn't that depend on the type of Motors in use?

 No, the laws of thermodynamics apply to all motors. When they produce the same torque as the Rhino e.g. they will produce roughly the same waste heat. 

And  seriously, the motors don’t look exactly high-tech. Just for the lols, compare their early marketing pictures with the open case picture.

The motors aren’t even connected in a meaningful way to the case….  So it is completely irrelevant for cooling that it is from metal.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Overheating may be a concern...

[freehand]

1 hour ago, Scott-S6 said:

Done be ridiculous, someone that has a unit could determine how long it can run without overheating very easily, all they have to do is actually use it.

Since this is such a well known issue with all FFB bases it's curious that none of the reviewers have talked about this. Either they're clueless or it's a problem and they've been told not to mention it if they want to keep getting their free stuff.

 

lol what are you talking about " Either they're clueless or it's a problem and they've been told not to mention it if they want to keep getting their free stuff"

Read the above by Deezle.

[Hiob]

6 minutes ago, freehand said:

lol what are you talking about " Either they're clueless or it's a problem and they've been told not to mention it if they want to keep getting their free stuff"

Read the above by Deezle.

It's a matter of the amount of force and the time you apply it for. From just casually flying around the stick won't heat up in a meaningful way. Neither does the Rhino or the FFBeast. 
That does change quickly though, when you apply the maximum force (9Nm) in this case for a prolonged period of time repeatedly. E.g. pulling max G in an F-16 in a downwards spiral.*

The motors (and motor drivers) WILL heat up. That is inevitable.

*Of course it depends on your settings and which effects you really use. A better way to put it is, the amount of energy that is put into the system and therefore converted into heat, depends on the amount of force you apply and the time you apply it.

Edited September 27, 2024 by Hiob

[Aapje]

Can't one of you guys who got one test it with a warbird by pulling lots of Gs and seeing long long you can keep it up without feeling the power go down?

[freehand]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

irrelevant to my quote. 

Your quoting my quote he said people need just to use them which they are obviously & wonders why no has mentioned problems with heat so perhaps there is not an issue at the moment not because there getting free stuff e.t.c but only time will tell.

 

 

[Hiob]

14 minutes ago, freehand said:

Your quoting my quote he said people need just to use them which they are obviously & wonders why no has mentioned problems with heat so perhaps there is not an issue at the moment not because there getting free stuff e.t.c but only time will tell.

 

 

Sorry, I quoted the wrong guy. I was answering to the suggestion that their is no significant heat up. Which is of course nonsense. For the same amount of power output the Moza will inevitable produce the same amount of heat*. That you can't feel it on the outside right away, only means that the thermal conductivity between motor and case is poor. Which is bad for cooling btw.

(*perhaps 5% less if the motors are miraculously more efficient than any other dc-motor)

Edited September 27, 2024 by Hiob

[Youtch]

What a stress test looks like:

 

[Stellatny45]

Looks like absence of motor temp telemetry is part of the Moza pricing advantage.

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, Stellatny45 said:

Looks like absence of motor temp telemetry is part of the Moza pricing advantage.

yeah but thats not a large percentage of it...

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Well, still no one would take the honour and stress test the base?

Edit: BTW, anyone use the E-Stop switch?

https://mozaracing.com/product/e-stop-switch

Edited September 27, 2024 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[petsild]

How is the force trimmer, does it work natively for heli?

[Aapje]

37 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Well, still no one would take the honour and stress test the base?

Probably because all of us flight simmers look like this:

Rather than like this:

They can't handle the force.

PS. Let's see if this works

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I guess I am somewhere in-between, but I don't keep any beard, on Monday, i.e.