Force feedback Joystick from Moza

[Nightdare]

6 minutes ago, Aapje said:

https://qr4rigs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=182

In principle, the only thing standing in the way of Virpil support is a firmware change to support the extra Virpil features.

 

It's the Firmware that so far kept me from getting the Moza, and since WW didn't change their firmware when they did have a TM/VPC adapter, I doubt they will now

[Aapje]

2 hours ago, Nightdare said:

It's the Firmware that so far kept me from getting the Moza, and since WW didn't change their firmware when they did have a TM/VPC adapter, I doubt they will now

There's more reason for them to do this for an FFB base, since there are surely way more people who will want to use the FFB base with other grips, than those that want to use a non-FFB Winwing base with a Virpil grip.

[WindyTX]

i am suddenly getting a lot of phantom button inputs while playing DCS anyone else seen this issue ?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Have been flying in F-16 preset all Friday and Saturday elsewhere, and did not have any issue at all. Have you swapped the grip lately? Or would it be something about USB "conflict"?

[MAXsenna]

i am suddenly getting a lot of phantom button inputs while playing DCS anyone else seen this issue ?

Are you sure the grip it seated correctly? Sounds like pinched wires or broken connections.

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[Mr_sukebe]

12 hours ago, WindyTX said:

i am suddenly getting a lot of phantom button inputs while playing DCS anyone else seen this issue ?

 

Yes, I've experienced the same.

Apparently it's a known issue, related to firmware.  If you use the firmware manager (available via the options I believe) you can roll back.  The current recommendation is to just the version ending in .30.  Sorry, haven't done this myself as yet.

Moza are aware and have stated that they'll have a fix out in the next update.

[Wostg]

For those using the F16 'force sensing' preset - are you finding it fine as-is or have you modified it?

I use a vpc 10cm extension and am wondering if that's thrown it completely off, as I can barely pull up. This is bad.

Am fine tuning within DCS but feels like it should be handied within the moza software - ie a firm tug should make the output hit the top edge of the rings?

Appreciate any tips or presets, thanks.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

On 2/17/2025 at 12:51 PM, Wostg said:

For those using the F16 'force sensing' preset - are you finding it fine as-is or have you modified it?

I use a vpc 10cm extension and am wondering if that's thrown it completely off, as I can barely pull up. This is bad.

Am fine tuning within DCS but feels like it should be handied within the moza software - ie a firm tug should make the output hit the top edge of the rings?

Appreciate any tips or presets, thanks.

I use it as is, with this and the other one, it works fine mostly, without extension, i.e.  Not until I went into panic mode and pull it too hard, which is not a good practice by itself, the stick stands very upright all the time.

[Wostg]

Thanks - I think its a little better with the DCS 'special options' disabled but I'm still not clear I'm getting the range I (think I, as a poor noob F16 pilot) need. It's sitting on its own weight for now and has lifted up when I've wrenched it back. Feels like its got about 5mm-1cm of give fwd-&-back with the extension on. Tempted to take that off but its so perfect for helos I don't want to mess with it often. 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

@Wostg

 

[Tea-Pig]

Info for anyone installing the Moza base: if you have V-joy installed there appears to be some compatibility issue with the Moza app. I found it necessary to open the V-Joy config and switch off all FFB settings (they seem to default to ON). Before doing this the Moza software would not reproduce any 'Direct' effects and only the 'Telemetry' generated effects would work.

[Wostg]

Awsome stuff next free minute I have I'll work on my breaks which seems like a good way to test if it's me or the stick

[Lasken]

The vibration in the ffb keeps turning off when i fly in dcs , but when i switch screens into the moza sofware it starts again. Then i go back into dcs and it works for a short while , then it stops again . Really anyoing . Any one esle have this problem ? 

[FR4GGL3]

On 2/19/2025 at 10:52 PM, Tea-Pig said:

Info for anyone installing the Moza base: if you have V-joy installed there appears to be some compatibility issue with the Moza app. I found it necessary to open the V-Joy config and switch off all FFB settings (they seem to default to ON). Before doing this the Moza software would not reproduce any 'Direct' effects and only the 'Telemetry' generated effects would work.

That might explain an issue that I had the last few weeks. I could get around that by uninstalling and installing the moza Software. Is there a chance that it is important that the moza FFB Base must be set to the primary/first joystick in windows Gamecontrollersettings (you might remember this old dialoge).

 

 

[Tea-Pig]

How do people here feel about the strength of some of the 'Telemetry' generated effects, particularly the stall buffet? The 'Direct' effects from DCS are great: a typical warbird stall will have my whole rig shaking with the stick, but when trying to replicate that for a plane with no FFB implementation using Telemetry, even with all the sliders maxxed out the best I can get is a barely noticeable twitching.

 

[NahkaSukka]

What are the table mount options for this base? I see that Moza has a table clamp for it, but i just recently bought a Moza R5 bundle, and it wouldn't stay securely on my table while driving (probably because the side of my table is angled) so i don't have much trust in that clamp. Right now i have a Virpil setup with a Virpil desk mount which is great, and it also has very nice quick release clamp, so has anyone mounted this thing on a Virpil desk mount or is there any other convenient mounting option?

[FR4GGL3]

On 2/22/2025 at 1:39 PM, NahkaSukka said:

What are the table mount options for this base?

The Moza Base has a lot of Mounting Points in the Baseplate (Bottom). The needed Screws are in the Box.

You might be lucky and already own a fitting mounting plate. I was able to reuse the Monstertech Virpil WarBRD mounting plate. The only thing you need is the long Version of the Tablemount. If you have the short Version, the Stick will probably be too high as the Moza Base is already really high. I ended up buying a new, longer Aluminium Profile (42 or 45 cm), in order to mount the stick at a reasonable position. And watch out, the Moza Base is quite heavy. You better have some strong mounting clamps for your deskmount.

 

You can read about all the mounting points and the height in the Manual available at the Moza homepage.

https://support.mozaracing.com/en/support/solutions/articles/70000668982-moza-ab9-base-support

Edited February 25 by FR4GGL3

[Nightdare]

On 2/11/2025 at 2:27 PM, Mr_sukebe said:

For any current AB9 users who are just as useless as myself on staying abreast of Moza news, be aware that the AB9 can now pass through analogue axes data from the thumb stick and brake lever on the Virpil alpha.  
I’ve no idea when it was introduced, but I’m certainly not complaining. 
To enable it, just go into DCS and bind the axes.  I didn’t have to do anything else.

 

Seems that the base has issues with different Virpil grips?

[Mr_sukebe]

3 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 

Seems that the base has issues with different Virpil grips?

With the latest firmware, yes, it can result in ghost button presses.

Personally, I rolled back to the previous firmware, and it’s since been fine.

Moza have acknowledged the issue and have a fix planned.

[cj43g3r]

I've created moza cockpit 1.0.3.9 compatible presets at https://www.digialcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3343585/

 

When I upgraded from moza cockpit 1.0.2.14 (standalone installer) to 1.0.3.9 (web installer) it was missing the preset for the F-14B and I found out the presets files were not compatible between these versions. I created the F-14B preset by exporting the F-4 preset from 1.0.3.9 and copying the corresponding values from the F-14B preset from 1.0.2.14, giving it a unique uuid.

 

I used the F-14B as a template for creating additional presets using chatgpt.
e.g. creating the F-15C preset:
Open the F-14B preset with a text editor, select all, copy, and then paste the contents into chatgpt prompt.
At the chatgpt prompt:
This is a moza force feedback joystick preset for the F-14B Tomcat in json format.
Using the F-14B preset as a template, can you create a preset for the McDonnell Douglas F-15C Eagle using publicly available information.

 

I noticed that chatgpt has a tendency to remove settings if they are unused for a particular aircraft but it does not seem to affect moza cockpit. If you want to retain all settings then you may want to change the chatgpt request to something like this:

Using the F-14B preset as a template, can you create a preset for the McDonnell Douglas F-15C Eagle using publicly available information keeping all unused settings.

 

I have no idea if these presets are accurate. They can be considered a best guess providing aircraft with different characteristics until moza releases additional presets.

chatgpt randomly inserts the aircraft manufacturer, name and model in the preset name or leave one or more missing. it also automatically generates a unique uuid.

 

After importing the preset into moza cockpit, you may need to select a DCS vehicle and enable auto matching or manually load the preset if there is no matching vehicle.

Some mods might not support FFB, so under basic settings for the preset you may need to choose telemetry FFB or integrated FFB.

The F-14B preset was likely configured without a joystick extension, so the others will be the same. Feel free to modify and redistribute them. 

[kornykidd0]

Aside from this firmware issue that is floating around, how has the software come along in the last few months since release? I’m thinking of picking one of these up this weekend at microcenter but am still kind of stuck on many reviewers saying the software pales in comparison to that of the VPForce or Beast. Everyone said it would likely catch up and evolve over time…has it started to? Also I primarily fly Apache/warthog/f18, so I guess not the BEST for ffb, but I’m still curious. I dabble in f16 and even less in the f14. Currently flying with a VKB gunfighter mk4. 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

If you fly a lot of aircraft which as the stick on the right, which also employ some sort of MFSSB, then the default Rhino profile needs some work to have it work like but the AB9 profile more or less work fine in such use. I am not try to compare the two cause I have both and I love them both. The only downside of the MFSSB mode, it is not the overheating, it is hurting my wrist and my shoulder after prolong flight, which is a normal mission time.

FFB may not be the base if you fly a lot of FBW planes, except the above. Older planes like F-14 and propellers will benefit most in terms of immersion. Also, many including myself, would swear by a FFB base, either one works great.

[Aapje]

Unfortunately, Moza doesn't have the best software team. On the racing sim side it also took them a long time to catch up to the state of the art.

[Tea-Pig]

My opinion after a couple of weeks with the Moza unit is that while the hardware seems really, really nice, the software is pretty much useless and thoroughly spoils the show.

In DCS, assuming you manage to get the software installed and it doesn't crash regularly, the experience is not too bad as the stick manages to reproduce DCS's own FFB effects quite well, although any additional "telemetry" generated stuff is very underwhelming. In MSFS, which doesn't make its own FFB effects, the Moza telemetry effects are crude, robotic and so weak they're usually often barely noticeable. And in IL2, which is not fully supported yet, the Moza can't even replicate IL2's own FFB effects properly.

Youtube is full of glowing reviews for the Moza stick but I think most of these reviewers are raving about the concept of FFB rather than the Moza experience in particular. For me personally, I was having a better experience with my old modified Sidewinder than I am with the Moza, which might well have date with Ebay in it's future.

[Shortcut]

I have never flew any of the aircraft in DCS and only one in X-Plane with someone I know so I really don't know what they feel in real life. I do love the fact that I can take a profile and modify it to what I like. I think in time people that really fly these aircraft will post their modified profiles and we can get closer to the real thing. I found one for the F-18 that was done by an F-18 pilot that I really enjoy.