Sinai update in next big DCS update?

[Viper33]

Can we finally expect the Sinai update in the next major DCS update? 

[stburr91]

There is no word on when the Sinai update will be released, however, it will not be in the update that has been delayed several times now. 

[rob10]

Actually, on June 14th BigNewy indicated it WOULD NOT be in the incoming patch, but it was in testing and he hoped it would make the patch after this.

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 7/7/2024 at 4:38 AM, rob10 said:

Actually, on June 14th BigNewy indicated it WOULD NOT be in the incoming patch, but it was in testing and he hoped it would make the patch after this.

To be fair, he said it wouldn't release on the 26th. Since the patch is delayed, there is nothing that indicates it won't be included when it does release.
Of course it all depends on how testing goes, and how much work was left for the closed beta team.
We'll have to wait and see...

[rob10]

7 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

To be fair, he said it wouldn't release on the 26th. Since the patch is delayed, there is nothing that indicates it won't be included when it does release.
Of course it all depends on how testing goes, and how much work was left for the closed beta team.
We'll have to wait and see...

That's true, but from his post it didn't sound like it "just missed" being in the upcoming patch, more that it was in testing but still had quite a ways to go.  That's why I doubt it has much chance to make this patch even with the delays.

[bal2o]

@BIGNEWY 

hi,

any new/info about that ? with update delay, possible to see first's sinai update ?

thanks

[BIGNEWY]

Sinai update wont be in the next patch, even with the delay ( we dont want to add more stuff that may create additional problems ) it will most likely be the next one after testing is completed. 

thank you 

[Viper33]

Sad. Wish I could refund this map. A year with no updates is not ok.

[Napa]

On 7/12/2024 at 12:26 AM, Viper33 said:

Sad. Wish I could refund this map. A year with no updates is not ok.

Are you this impatient? Or is map that broken that it qualifies for a refund?

[cfrag]

46 minutes ago, Napa said:

Are you this impatient?

TBH, in my book "impatient" does not cover time spans exceeding 12 months - especially in computer software. Personally, I deem wishing for refund a bit excessively, since I still derive fun from the Sinai map - ymmv. And it is broken in some important regards, so an update (as it is now in-house at ED) is welcome. I'm really looking forward to the update, and hope that the kind people at ORT won't let us wait that long for further updates, the past long wait has tarnished their IMHO once stellar reputation enough.

Edited July 13, 2024 by cfrag

[munckmb]

1 hour ago, cfrag said:

as it is now in-house at ED)

What happened? Is Onretech not involved anymore?

[cfrag]

34 minutes ago, munckmb said:

What happened? Is Onretech not involved anymore?

It's the normal process: ORT develop and do the module test, then hand off to ED for integration testing. When both pass, it's released with the next release. That's the normal application process life cycle, as it's done everywhere. I would be disappointed if ORT hadn't handed off by now, as a test cycle is usually a couple of weeks long.

Edited July 13, 2024 by cfrag

[rob10]

4 hours ago, cfrag said:

It's the normal process: ORT develop and do the module test, then hand off to ED for integration testing. When both pass, it's released with the next release. That's the normal application process life cycle, as it's done everywhere. I would be disappointed if ORT hadn't handed off by now, as a test cycle is usually a couple of weeks long.

BigNewy said last month sometime that ED have and are testing the update, so, barring any issues they find that need ORT to fix, it's in ED's hands when it gets released at this point.

[BarTzi]

On 7/13/2024 at 1:10 PM, Napa said:

Are you this impatient? Or is map that broken that it qualifies for a refund?

Are you aware of the amount of bugs this map has? It has no fixes for more than a year - do you think that's acceptable?

[rob10]

Is it perfect?  Obviously not.  Personally (other than the Bullseye issue) I couldn't name issues off the top of my head.  I've enjoyed flying it a lot since it been out and I've spent a fair bit of time flying on it.  Not sure it's acceptable to have had to wait a year for fixes, but for me there was nothing stopping me from enjoying it so it really hasn't bothered me much waiting for that year.

[diego999]

31 minutes ago, rob10 said:

Is it perfect?  Obviously not.  Personally (other than the Bullseye issue) I couldn't name issues off the top of my head.  I've enjoyed flying it a lot since it been out and I've spent a fair bit of time flying on it.  Not sure it's acceptable to have had to wait a year for fixes, but for me there was nothing stopping me from enjoying it so it really hasn't bothered me much waiting for that year.

 

It lacks bridges. You can't make complex missions because ground units can't cross rivers. And it's been this way for more than a year.

[Gunfreak]

23 hours ago, diego999 said:

 

It lacks bridges. You can't make complex missions because ground units can't cross rivers. And it's been this way for more than a year.

Can't blow up bridges either. 

[Romandv]

Even though Sinai is my favourite map, I find it somewhat tiring that units can get lost in two trees. I look forward to the fixes for this beautiful map.

[BarTzi]

On 7/14/2024 at 9:13 PM, rob10 said:

Is it perfect?  Obviously not.  Personally (other than the Bullseye issue) I couldn't name issues off the top of my head.  I've enjoyed flying it a lot since it been out and I've spent a fair bit of time flying on it.  Not sure it's acceptable to have had to wait a year for fixes, but for me there was nothing stopping me from enjoying it so it really hasn't bothered me much waiting for that year.

Tacan issues, ILS issues, airport issues, AI taxi path issues - and I can count a few more.

[Punkmonkey22]

On 7/15/2024 at 7:10 PM, Gunfreak said:

Can't blow up bridges either. 

And a lot (most) of the bridges are ridiculous, roads and railways going up huge steep ramps to the bridge deck

[Hawkeye_UK]

On 7/11/2024 at 10:26 PM, Viper33 said:

Sad. Wish I could refund this map. A year with no updates is not ok.

I'm generally happy to wait for EA development, but what i must say is the long periods of silence have been a bit weird.  As in long periods with no replies.

The one thing i struggle to understand is the easy wins such as being able to navigate the map with tacan's and radio nav's should be a day one thing.  There is a metric ton missing from this map, including ILS freq also - i have no comprehension how this can take a year.

For me going forward ED should specify as being a flight "simulator"  that the basics such as these nav beacons are present DAY 1, esp with the focus on gen 3 aircraft these days.

It is no exaggeration that i have twice as many of my own freq's inserted into the base map, than OnReTech put in the original release.  That is not simply not good enough and to wait 12 months without ANY updates i think has been below expectations of even a DCS EA module.  Only the Supercarrier has been worse.

[Napa]

On 7/13/2024 at 1:57 PM, cfrag said:

TBH, in my book "impatient" does not cover time spans exceeding 12 months - especially in computer software. Personally, I deem wishing for refund a bit excessively, since I still derive fun from the Sinai map - ymmv. And it is broken in some important regards, so an update (as it is now in-house at ED) is welcome. I'm really looking forward to the update, and hope that the kind people at ORT won't let us wait that long for further updates, the past long wait has tarnished their IMHO once stellar reputation enough.

 

If you can launch and use the map then it's not broken. I just don't get asking for a refund if in the next quarter is going to get updated and you'll have to purchase again. Unless you don't care and don't want to use the product EVER again, then get your refund.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Napa