fixed internally Score Window does not record in Multiplayer

[cheg]

On 10/9/2024 at 12:53 AM, Dangerzone said:

We don't necessarily know how trivial the bug is. Since merging to MT and ongoing development, numerous event bugs have been broken - some well over a year. It may be that fixing these is more complicated than first thought, and that it's affecting/breaking more systems than we're aware of. It would make sense if some of the events are broken, that could potentially break the scoring as well as this could very well be triggered by events. 

This isn't to say that this shouldn't have been dealt with by now - Bugs should be getting addressed over new features (IMO). There's nothing worse than having a game that used to work now not function, or be able to work because of bugs where focus is on future features without those bugs being seen to promptly, just to address that it may not be as trivial as one first thinks. 

I'd personally like to see the next patch brought out to be 100% focused on bug fixing and performance building. No new features - just fix the bugs that have been around for too long. 

To be honest, I have simply stopped playing the game and just sporadically check if the bug is fixed. And I think this will be the case more and more. They are a small team, and should focus on bugs rather than developing ambitious features.

This looks to me that they have a bigger underlying problem. 

[GeoS72]

After today's big update, this detailed scoreboard problem still persists.

When will the MP detailed scoreboard be fixed? The single player version was quickly fixed but it wasn't broken to start. Since the community as a whole beta tests then a priority list of bugs should be available for review. This bug is going on 4 months with no fix in sight; this is appalling and borderline incompetent. It took me 2 minutes to verify this scoreboard wasn't working properly.

+1 for stopping new feature and focus on bug fixes.

[cheg]

By this time I think that whoever is prioritizing tasks in their sprints should quit. 

[X93355]

Scores not recording and getting disconnects on clients with VR?    Hour glass situations that require a full reboot on the client.  

No issues with 2.9.5.55918 and older (since the prior to the release of the new launcher) but every update since.   

I love some of the improvements etc, but core stuff like this is really hurting.  I have rolled back almost 9 updates on my server and all our internal sim rigs (twice) due to multiplayer issues.

Every time DCS crashes, we submit the reports.   

We have zero mods across 6 clients and the crashes occur on different clients at different times, cannot peg it anything specific.  

I am happy to donate as much time as needed for testing to help.

[Yuma]

Still the same after today’s update.

[Dangerzone]

8 hours ago, Yuma said:

Still the same after today’s update.

I'm expecting this to remain until Vulkan is out.

Actually - I'm hoping this will remain until Vulkan is out. The reason I say I'm hoping is because I'm hypothesizing the reason it's broken has to do with Vulkan development (or some big development behind the scenes) and that it's already identified as 'fixed' within Vulkan, but would take too much resources to try and fix with the current state of the development so it's left 'as is' for now.

And the reason I hope that's the case, is that I don't want to consider the alternative - which is that ED just doesn't care that they broke this (and other functions) and that this is the new way of life from now. Perpetual unstable DCS with introduced bugs that once broken, won't be touched for many moons, and by the time it is, other bugs will be brought in. 

Considering this isn't the only thing that's been broken for some time, and that there are numerous things that were working, and have since been broken and remains for years - I would much rather hope and think that all these things that have been broken is due to a good reason / some practicality we're not aware of (such as it being fixed in the Vulkan builds already being worked on) - which means that there is a day is coming when not only are these things fixed, but we'll also get out of this hole where when things are broken, they're not looked at for years.

If I'm wrong, and this is the new norm for DCS's future (especially with no stable release anymore), well, the future won't be looking bright. 

So here's me... hoping that's the reason.

[Yuma]

Here it’s why i don't agree with the whole Vulcan thing. Vulcan API it’s a whole new or at least difference application programming interface, that is going to take longer for them to accomplish than just fixing a scoreboard, that’s what is a bit scary, I just think that they are not giving it priority to it since there are bigger issues, but I do believe that even though they are minor issues, they are the ones that we see the most.

[Dangerzone]

20 minutes ago, Yuma said:

Here it’s why i don't agree with the whole Vulcan thing. Vulcan API it’s a whole new or at least difference application programming interface, that is going to take longer for them to accomplish than just fixing a scoreboard, that’s what is a bit scary, I just think that they are not giving it priority to it since there are bigger issues, but I do believe that even though they are minor issues, they are the ones that we see the most.

I don't know much about Vulcan itself - but my best guess is that ED are trying to do a migration within the current code - so that the same code is compatible between the two (as opposed to a complete re-write of DCS from ground up and a day-one changeover). If so - it would make sense that as they make changes to the current code to be Vulkan compatible, they could mess up the parts that interact with the current framework. 

If not - I don't understand why else things so many things are being broken and not fixed in a timely manner. Even so - I admit, this is compete hypothesis, but it's the only conclusion I can come up with that makes sense - besides the ED doesn't care option - and I'm working on being optimistic and giving ED the benefit of the doubt with this one.

(Either that, or like a number of fish in Egypt, I'm living in denial). 

[MAXsenna]

I don't think, and I hope that the transition from DX11 to Vulkan has not anything to do with it. Then, what do I know. These seems like 2D overlays, that works in SP, which suggests it's more of an MP issue.

We all should wish for some billionaire to get an addiction that would gladly be happy for a complete parallel re-write...

[X93355]

On 12/5/2024 at 7:53 AM, Yuma said:

Still the same after today’s update.

I'm a massive supporter of ED but it's frustrating that ED does not communicate where faults are in the timeline.   They could easily put together a viewable list of what they are working on (one single webpage list) so that people are not left in the dark.   Simple stuff.

[GeoS72]

Gentlemen,

Let's keep the topic focused on the problem at hand. The multiplayer scoreboard (detailed component) is still broken. This problem has persisted over 5 months. Today's update is no different from the others from the past 5 months. It took me 2 minutes to determine if the detailed scoreboard is broken after today's update.

There was talk of elevating this problem to higher levels but there has been no resolution.

Who else needs to hear of this complaint so it could get fixed? Is there a way to tag all the moderators in this forum? I feel this problem has gone unnoticed for too long.

@Flappie, could you offer any insight? It is apparent that your escalation has fallen on deaf ears. I believe MORE people at ED need to be aware of this problem.

[Flappie]

This issue is not being ignored. Devs have been working on it earlier this month.

[X93355]

7 hours ago, Flappie said:

This issue is not being ignored. Devs have been working on it earlier this month.

Flappie, this is the 2nd time that the MP scoring has been broken in an update then taken more than 5 months to fix.   But it is the lack of communication and awareness of all faults that is the issue.  Surely a master list of faults could be made so we can easily see if there is a timeline or it's been put on the back burner?

[Dangerzone]

37 minutes ago, X93355 said:

Flappie, this is the 2nd time that the MP scoring has been broken in an update then taken more than 5 months to fix.   But it is the lack of communication and awareness of all faults that is the issue.  Surely a master list of faults could be made so we can easily see if there is a timeline or it's been put on the back burner?

I agree with the lack of communication, but I get the feeling it wouldn't be in ED's best interest to provide a public listing of just how many known bugs there are outstanding, how long it takes for them to rectify their bugs, or how long many of the still currently outstanding ones have remained outstanding for, so I wouldn't be too optimistic about a master list made available to us. 

[Yuma]

Just coming by to remind ED that after the recent update (Christmas) the multiplayer scoreboard still broken....  

[GeoS72]

@Flappie, thank you for the quick update. The long period of silence with each passing update is extremely frustrating. Pardon the repitition; I'd be very disappointed to see this bug take 1yr or more to get fixed. It would have a similar fate as the fix for MANPAD launch tone or Cullen Airfield placement (in the South Atlantic map.

I hope that everyone is enjoying their end of the year celebrations. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!

[GeoS72]

No changes to the MP detailed scoreboard after today's (01/20/2025) update. Maybe in the next update?

[Flappie]

I've just bumped the internal report.

[GeoS72]

Again, many thanks for garnering attention to this problem, @Flappie!

[Yaga]

On 1/20/2025 at 3:32 PM, Flappie said:

I've just bumped the internal report.

Is the bug at least acknowledged internally?

Please let us know if they need a track.. Would be nice to get this fixed. 

[Flappie]

20 hours ago, Yaga said:

Is the bug at least acknowledged internally?

Yes, and even more than that. As strange as it may be, it seems to be an intricate issue. Several different things got changed at some point, resulting in the absence of unit kill count. The main source of the issue may have been located. Hopefully we'll get a fix soon.

[X93355]

5 hours ago, Flappie said:

Yes, and even more than that. As strange as it may be, it seems to be an intricate issue. Several different things got changed at some point, resulting in the absence of unit kill count. The main source of the issue may have been located. Hopefully we'll get a fix soon.

Last known good, was 2.9.5.55918 

[Badger1-1]

Its been like this for several months now but couldnt find a bug report on it.

Stats online show 0 for everyone except points.

 

Not just me, everyone has this issue afaic. Tested it on several servers

 

 

[GeoS72]

Yet another update and no resolution to the detailed scoreboard in MP.

[Mustang]

I recall when this was an issue many years ago on an earlier version when I was still on the test team, it was a major PITA to fix back then lol