Scammer

[_Hoss]

I've posted this on DCS Facebook pages, but we have a scammer out there on FB selling a WW Super Taurus and PTO/PCR panels last Friday. I negotiated for just the Throttle, agreed on $360.00 to include shipping, I payed through PayPal, showed him a screenshot of the completed transaction. He told me he would ship USPS and he would PM or email me the Tracking number. Seven days later... bumpkis... Today I'm on FB looking at the DCS pages, and there he is again selling the throttle I bought off him. So I PM'd him and his memory was foggy, until I showed my bank payed PayPal the $360 I sent him.... now he's broke and needs more money to ship and insure it. From his (Niels Dan) FB page, lives a whole lot better than I do. I hope someone says they want it, ask him where he lives, it WILL be somewhere in Michigan, tell him you do too, and that you will come pick it up for cash. There will be a Ninja flash and smoke.... and crickets. 

So buyer beware

[Jeb]

he say what town in Mi because i do live in Mi and can help you out

 

Edited July 20, 2024 by Jeb

[BuzzU]

This is why I always buy new from a reputable dealer.

 

Hope you find this jerk.

[kksnowbear]

9 hours ago, BuzzU said:

This is why I always buy new from a reputable dealer.

Not to get to far off topic...but there are those of us out here who deal primarily in used components/systems, and have worked very hard to build a customer following that is 100% satisfied (and a growing list of "repeat clients").

It's just not accurate to imply that in order to avoid getting cheated you have to buy new.  Reputable dealers are reputable dealers.

Absolutely nothing wrong with used hardware, provided you deal with the right person.  I offer references to every prospective client and encourage them to inquire.

Sorry for the distraction, but please don't "throw out the baby with the bath water".

Edited July 20, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Rudel_chw]

2 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with used hardware, provided you deal with the right person

Fully agree, over 50% of my PC is second hand items and I have no regrets. 

[kksnowbear]

24 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

Fully agree, over 50% of my PC is second hand items and I have no regrets. 

Thanks - me too

Well, OK to be accurate, I was very blessed this past Christmas and now have a 'top of the line' build for the first time since c.1990 lol

But for the past 30+years, a lot of my own stuff has been second-hand as well.  As you put it, no regrets...and I am quite sure I've saved *thousands* in that time by not going all-new latest and greatest stuff.

Not to completely derail the topic; without getting too far into it, I think it's terrible that people do stuff like the OP describes.  It would seem the key is to know who you're dealing with.

Edited July 20, 2024 by kksnowbear

[LucShep]

37 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Not to get to far off topic...but there are those of us out here who deal primarily in used components/systems, and have worked very hard to build a customer following that is 100% satisfied (and a growing list of "repeat clients").

It's just not accurate to imply that in order to avoid getting cheated you have to buy new.  Reputable dealers are reputable dealers.

Absolutely nothing wrong with used hardware, provided you deal with the right person.  I offer references to every prospective client and encourage them to inquire.

Sorry for the distraction, but please don't "throw out the baby with the bath water".

34 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

Fully agree, over 50% of my PC is second hand items and I have no regrets. 

+1  
 

[BuzzU]

6 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

Not to get to far off topic...but there are those of us out here who deal primarily in used components/systems, and have worked very hard to build a customer following that is 100% satisfied (and a growing list of "repeat clients").

It's just not accurate to imply that in order to avoid getting cheated you have to buy new.  Reputable dealers are reputable dealers.

Absolutely nothing wrong with used hardware, provided you deal with the right person.  I offer references to every prospective client and encourage them to inquire.

Sorry for the distraction, but please don't "throw out the baby with the bath water".

I've been here quite awhile and have sold more items than I can remember. Everybody seemed pleased with my deals.

However, i'll repeat. When I buy. I buy new from dealers I know well. Like B&H Photo.

Everybody is free to to do as they please. I gave no suggestions. I just said what I do.

[kksnowbear]

But you didn't just say what you do.  Just saying what you do would be "I buy new", as opposed to what you actually said ("This is why...")

(I didn't put those words there, you did that.  I quoted your exact words.)

When someone says "This is why I (do x)" the implication is that they do x to avoid the consequences of not doing it that way.

You implied that buying new somehow avoids the consequence of the OP's unfortunate experience - which, of course, is inaccurate.

(Incidentally, plenty of people get ripped off every day buying new stuff. Again, it's about where/who you deal with, not new or used).

Edited July 20, 2024 by kksnowbear

[BuzzU]

I said what I do and why I did it. I said exactly what I meant and didn't immply anything.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I've never seen such an argumentative forum.

 

[Marshallman]

On 7/20/2024 at 12:08 AM, _Hoss said:

I've posted this on DCS Facebook pages, but we have a scammer out there on FB selling a WW Super Taurus and PTO/PCR panels last Friday. I negotiated for just the Throttle, agreed on $360.00 to include shipping, I payed through PayPal, showed him a screenshot of the completed transaction. He told me he would ship USPS and he would PM or email me the Tracking number. Seven days later... bumpkis... Today I'm on FB looking at the DCS pages, and there he is again selling the throttle I bought off him. So I PM'd him and his memory was foggy, until I showed my bank payed PayPal the $360 I sent him.... now he's broke and needs more money to ship and insure it. From his (Niels Dan) FB page, lives a whole lot better than I do. I hope someone says they want it, ask him where he lives, it WILL be somewhere in Michigan, tell him you do too, and that you will come pick it up for cash. There will be a Ninja flash and smoke.... and crickets. 

So buyer beware

Well done and great to spread this!!!
Same in the UK.

[_Hoss]

Look guys, I only made this post as a warning about this individual. Hindsight is 20/20, but you don't receive it until after you mess up. We've all done it whether we admit it or not. Take this post for how it was intended, to protect you.... from those who would take advantage of our community. 

Let's be civil with each other here in the forums, and flame each others tail in the air. 

MODS..........I would ask a moderator to lock this thread, so it's information only.

Edited July 21, 2024 by _Hoss

[VirusAM]

On 7/20/2024 at 1:08 AM, _Hoss said:

I've posted this on DCS Facebook pages, but we have a scammer out there on FB selling a WW Super Taurus and PTO/PCR panels last Friday. I negotiated for just the Throttle, agreed on $360.00 to include shipping, I payed through PayPal, showed him a screenshot of the completed transaction. He told me he would ship USPS and he would PM or email me the Tracking number. Seven days later... bumpkis... Today I'm on FB looking at the DCS pages, and there he is again selling the throttle I bought off him. So I PM'd him and his memory was foggy, until I showed my bank payed PayPal the $360 I sent him.... now he's broke and needs more money to ship and insure it. From his (Niels Dan) FB page, lives a whole lot better than I do. I hope someone says they want it, ask him where he lives, it WILL be somewhere in Michigan, tell him you do too, and that you will come pick it up for cash. There will be a Ninja flash and smoke.... and crickets. 

So buyer beware

I hope you used paypal goods and services. It will be easy to get a refund this way.

I have bought a lot of used stuf...with mostly positive experiences...

And i have also bought a lot.

[Winger]

I got scammed Here once as Well. There is one fuc*er trying to RIP Off people presenting Always a different Story.

 

NEVER Pay without buyers protection!

[SharpeXB]

Good sites should have protections in place so members don’t get ripped off, eBay does. I routinely sell lightly used components there as a way to keep myself continually upgraded. It’s a great deal for both parties. 

But yeah you have to steer clear of nefarious sites and if something looks too good to be true it probably is

[Winger]

I got messaged When i Had WTB Post Open poibting me into the direcrion of a Guy that suppoaedly has the Item i am looking for for Sale.

Hilarous Stories and my Hope to Not be scammed and make a fair Deal cost me 150,- bucks. Thankfully i learned this lesson Kind of cheap. Not to Imagine spending much more on a device and getting ripped Off. At least i reported the PayPal Account owner AS  a scammer. Dunno If that die anything to protect Others people from at least this Guy.

I Made a Post Here When this happened.

IT helps to make clear you dont PayPal without buyers protection. Scammers wont try IT then.