Meta acknowledges bug with OpenXR API layers in v68

[Steel Jaw]

Using a wifi connection though versus my link cable giving me over 2 Gigabits, will the wifi be fast enough...what's the minimum speed needed?

[sze5003]

3 minutes ago, Steel Jaw said:

Using a wifi connection though versus my link cable giving me over 2 Gigabits, will the wifi be fast enough...what's the minimum speed needed?

Minimum is 1Gb for VD. Only thing is if you need higher resolution other than “god mode” in VD then you can bump up Pixel density within DCS settings.

[Steel Jaw]

Hmm, downside is a wireless router with those speeds is quite expensive. 

[Marshallman]

Anyone using Reverb G2 with VD? I'm curious?

[FupDuck]

Given that this will be fixed in v69, would it make sense to turn on the PTC in the Meta software?

[sze5003]

Hmm, downside is a wireless router with those speeds is quite expensive. 

Not so much the speed, the point of a separate 6ghz router is to create a stable and quick connection that's isolated from other wireless traffic.

What is commonly recommended by the Virtual desktop discord is TP Link Axe5400. I got mine for $150.

I have a separate mesh system at home since I can't drill through walls to wire stuff as we are renting, so I have the tp link wired to a satellite in the office and then an Ethernet cable form the TP Link to my desktop. This is the important stuff, your PC must be wired into the standalone router you are using for the quest.

I don't have gig speeds either just 400-500mb down/up and VD runs fine for me. VD performance overlay says my speed is 2100mbps.

I'm not on v68 yet so I'll use link cable until I can't anymore.

[mbucchia]

42 minutes ago, Marshallman said:

Anyone using Reverb G2 with VD? I'm curious?

Virtual Desktop Classic (the only version that works with a G2) is Desktop streaming only, doesn't let you stream VR games

[kablamoman]

@mbucchia thanks so much for all the hard work and innovation you’ve shared with the VR community over the years.

For anybody looking to get set up with Virtual Desktop, visiting the VD discord is highly recommended: https://discord.gg/9tq9snWV

A lot of information there to answer any questions you may have, as well as a list of known-good network hardware if you find yourself needing a new router or access point to get the best experience.

[Qcumber]

5 hours ago, Steel Jaw said:

Hmm, downside is a wireless router with those speeds is quite expensive. 

I use this one with VD and it works fine.

Deal: Mercusys AX1800 Dual-Band Wi-Fi 6 Router, WiFi Speed up to 1201Mbps/5GHz+574Mbps/2.4GHz, 3 Gigabit LAN Ports, Ideal for Gaming Xbox/PS4/Steam & 4K (MR70X), Black https://amzn.eu/d/0ciDRfyg

 

4 hours ago, sze5003 said:

I don't have gig speeds either just 400-500mb down/up and VD runs fine for me. VD performance overlay says my speed is 2100mbps

It's the router speed that's important here, not your Internet speed. 

[TFS]

8 hours ago, Phantom711 said:

You need to buy the app in the meta store in your headset. 
You need to install the VD streamer app on your PC.

You also need a dedicated WiFi6 router connected via ethernet to your PC. 
(I simply use a WiFi6 extender wired to my PC instead)

So I have 1gb internet wired to my pc far from my wifi6 router, if I run my pc as a Hotspot using the antenna I have connected me headset that way. Would this be ideal for VD? I keep hearing it's great. I'll have to try it out. 

[Qcumber]

19 minutes ago, TFS said:

So I have 1gb internet wired to my pc far from my wifi6 router, if I run my pc as a Hotspot using the antenna I have connected me headset that way. Would this be ideal for VD? I keep hearing it's great. I'll have to try it out. 

I don't think this approach is officially recommended but it would be worth asking for advice on the VD discord server. 

[Phantom711]

vor 41 Minuten schrieb TFS:

if I run my pc as a Hotspot using the antenna

I tried that and it didn‘t work great. At least here a PC can not create a WiFi6 hotspot, only WiFi5.

[TFS]

Hmmm, maybe wired wifi6 extender sitting 2 feet away from me would work? I joined the discord. Thank you both for your responses. 

[Phantom711]

@TFS

That‘s exactly how I am doing it. I have a TP LINK WiFi6 RE3000x Mesh Extender. My PC is plugged into that via Ethernet and the QuestPro simply connects to my WiFi Network.

So my internet is basically on the same WiFi but note, that there is not much other traffic on it at the sane time. (No wife/kids watching netflix or anything).

Oh and it‘s probably a good 3meters (9 feet) away from me.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Phantom711

[Steel Jaw]

I think VD is the way to go.  I'm not interested in waiting weeks or months for v69 to fix what they themselves broke.   Then down the road yet more poorly tested updates.

[gonvise]

Some of you say that VD is the way to go, but you're not giving all the information, there are people who are going to buy a dedicated router for this (like me) and are going to be very disappointed (like me).
1. If you are used to ASW, VD doesn't have it, instead it has SSW, which is not nearly as good. For me, ASW is pure magic, with very little ghosting these days, and maintaining 45 FPS in all conditions gives me the smoothest and highest quality experience since I started in VR with the first Oculus. Is there any chance that VD will implement ASW?
2. If you don't care about ASW, ok, then it's a matter of matching the quality modes that VD has to what you have with cable link, but even so, I haven't found any codec where I didn't notice some compression effect (MFD a bit blurry) that I don't have with cable link.

By the way, cable link still works with stopping updates (mine is nor updated) or with replacing by v67 files, meta has already said that it will be fixed in v69, so let's not go crazy. Whoever wants to try it can do so (like me), but VD is not the new panacea; Yes, it may possibly be an option, especially if we fly in medium quality, but if we push the link cable's capabilities to the maximum, at least I, who have been trying things for days, don't know how to do it.

[FupDuck]

3 hours ago, gonvise said:

Some of you say that VD is the way to go, but you're not giving all the information, there are people who are going to buy a dedicated router for this (like me) and are going to be very disappointed (like me).
1. If you are used to ASW, VD doesn't have it, instead it has SSW, which is not nearly as good. For me, ASW is pure magic, with very little ghosting these days, and maintaining 45 FPS in all conditions gives me the smoothest and highest quality experience since I started in VR with the first Oculus. Is there any chance that VD will implement ASW?
2. If you don't care about ASW, ok, then it's a matter of matching the quality modes that VD has to what you have with cable link, but even so, I haven't found any codec where I didn't notice some compression effect (MFD a bit blurry) that I don't have with cable link.

By the way, cable link still works with stopping updates (mine is nor updated) or with replacing by v67 files, meta has already said that it will be fixed in v69, so let's not go crazy. Whoever wants to try it can do so (like me), but VD is not the new panacea; Yes, it may possibly be an option, especially if we fly in medium quality, but if we push the link cable's capabilities to the maximum, at least I, who have been trying things for days, don't know how to do it.

I agree with this. I don't see why everyone is still freaking out. The solution is posted on page 3 of this thread. Replace the v68 files with the v67 ones linked above, and everything works like it did before.

And I am in the same boat as @gonvise. I have never gotten VD to look nearly as clear and smooth as the link cable. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by FupDuck
Me use poor grammar

[jcenzano]

2 hours ago, FupDuck said:

And I am in the same boat as @gonvise. I have never gotten VD to look nearly as clear and smooth as the link cable. 

Agreed, specially if you vfly aircraft with MFDs or digital displays. There the video compression and the blurriness is noticeable, even with the highest VD's quality settings...

[Steel Jaw]

Anyone have a link to the v67 files please.

[ARM505]

It's ridiculous having to constantly battle with Meta's rubbish software, or the feeling that cable is somehow an 'afterthought' - why can we use hand tracking/passthrough view in the Quests native OS, but not in the Link software? Why is there even separate Link software? What exactly is Meta smoking? Who knows..... For me also, cable crushes all the silliness associated with getting a fast, stable, reliable wifi signal - having to buy a dedicated router is ridiculous, I luckily had a spare to test with, but of course the simple USB cable is miles easier and better. And I'm just getting warmed up.....why does the Quest not manage to charge despite being connected to a cable? Why does....

/ten deep breaths. Calm...inner peace.....

I am greatly, greatly disillusioned with modern large software companies. It's like they've started inhaling their own....

I'll stop now.

[Phantom711]

@ARM505

vor 2 Stunden schrieb ARM505:

why can we use hand tracking/passthrough view in the Quests native OS, but not in the Link software?

Hand tracking worked for me in principle also via QuestLink. It‘s just not very pretty, but I think that‘s rather EDs implementation or limitations in general.

Passthrough also works with Link.

vor 2 Stunden schrieb ARM505:

Why is there even separate Link software?

Well, the respective data must get from the PC to your headset somehow. Other headsets use Windows Mixed Reality for that or SteamVR. It‘s nothing different really.

 

vor 2 Stunden schrieb ARM505:

Quest not manage to charge despite being connected to a cable?

Because the power, that a USB socket can deliver is limited. But I would argue, that it discharges much slower when connected and that should usually be enough to play for several hours straight.

But don‘t get it all wrong, I understand your frustration about that bug. They said, they‘ll fix it in v69.

[slughead]

30 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

 

@ARM505

3 hours ago, ARM505 said:

why can we use hand tracking/passthrough view in the Quests native OS, but not in the Link software?

Hand tracking worked for me in principle also via QuestLink. It‘s just not very pretty, but I think that‘s rather EDs implementation or limitations in general.

 

I think he meant in the Link staging room where the PCVR games are shown. Hand tracking isn’t present there so you have to either use the controllers or lift the headset use use the computer monitor to start DCS.

[Phantom711]

@slughead

After I had written my post, that thought also came to my mind. And yeah…that is a bit annoying…

[sze5003]

One thing I don't like about link cable is how inconsistent it can be. A day ago I flew a mission in weasels over Syria, no stutters, no hourglass loading while flying randomly, it was great.

Last night I hook it up to do the same thing because I failed that mission and this time I had instances of the loading hourglass 2-3 times.

Usually it's oculus services so I force close all of them and usually this helps but I can't say this is 100% the solution.

I'm running 1.0 resolution in oculus home app, 90hz, quad views, in oculus debug tool 2.0 super sample and 500 bit rate.

It's very inconsistent when I end up with the hourglass pauses. There's days where it does not occur at all.

[baltic_dragon]

Hey guys! Is it possible that this also affects my Reverb G2, as OpenXR is also used by WMR?