New GPU choice, what would you choose

[grim_reaper68]

Hi As Black Friday is around the corner, I would like to have your opinion on the following cards: RX 7900 RTX 4080 RTX 4070 TI Super Knowing that I have an RTX 2070 super XLR8 from pny at the moment. When I watch the DCS comparative videos on YouTube, the 7900 XTX seems ahead, but the benchmarks lean in favor of the RTX, see

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4644vs4622vs4984vs4646vs4980/Radeon-RX-7900-XTX-vs-GeForce-RTX-4080-vs-GeForce-RTX-4080-SUPER-vs-Radeon-RX-7900-XT-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER

The RX 7900 XTX has 24Gb VRAM, and the RTX 4070 TI "only" 16Gb, but the RTX seems to have a better score, so are the 16Gb enough or should I need the 24Gb of the RX for the future?

So I'm waiting for your opinions on the cards mentioned Thanks in advance

[BitMaster]

I was in a similar boat just recently, just 1 tier below, 7800XT vs. 4070,  and I opted for AMD and don't regret it. The GUI is different, needs some time, Gsync is then FreeSync ( make sure your screen supports it, mine didn't so I had to buy a new FreeSync screen ).

Nvidia has more support, that is 1 thing still to consider, their market share is just overwhelming.

[LucShep]

2 hours ago, grim_reaper68 said:

Hi As Black Friday is around the corner, I would like to have your opinion on the following cards: RX 7900 RTX 4080 RTX 4070 TI Super Knowing that I have an RTX 2070 super XLR8 from pny at the moment. When I watch the DCS comparative videos on YouTube, the 7900 XTX seems ahead, but the benchmarks lean in favor of the RTX, see

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4644vs4622vs4984vs4646vs4980/Radeon-RX-7900-XTX-vs-GeForce-RTX-4080-vs-GeForce-RTX-4080-SUPER-vs-Radeon-RX-7900-XT-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER

The RX 7900 XTX has 24Gb VRAM, and the RTX 4070 TI "only" 16Gb, but the RTX seems to have a better score, so are the 16Gb enough or should I need the 24Gb of the RX for the future?

So I'm waiting for your opinions on the cards mentioned Thanks in advance

Ask yourself this question...

•  Do you want a very familiar experience to what you have had with the RTX2070S, usage wise, but better and with a LOT more performance? 
  If so, get the RTX4080S or the RTX 4070TiS.
   
• Do you feel like changing to something different, and no problems with quickly adapting to unfamiliar things? 
  If so, the RX 7900XTX 24GB may be right for you.

The 4080S and 4070TiS have GDDR6X, which is faster memory. But it has less of it as you may have noticed (16GB GDDR6X versus 24GB GDDR6 of the RX 7900XTX).
They do have lower power consumption and also generally run cooler than the RX7900XTX, which is not a minor factor. 

All those three are really good GPUs, and any of the three will be awesome for DCS at 1440P or 4K single monitor.
But if it's to use DCS in VR (or triple-screens), then the decision is easy - definitely go for the RTX4080S.

In my personal opinion, the right choice is to get the best one that you can afford - will satisfy "more" imediately and also last longer.
And that one in your list is the RTX4080S.

As for the "why?", It'd be a repeat of a similar thread.

That is, of course, if you can not wait.
If you can wait a little longer, then wait for the RTX5070 and also its Ti variant, supposedly to come in first quarter of 2025.
It should be (again supposedly) as good or better than the RTX4080S but at a lower price, and lower power consumption as well.

Edited October 4, 2024 by LucShep

[Aapje]

If you are contemplating the 4080, then I would definitely wait for the 5080, which should be out in Januari. GPU's typically don't see good black friday deals anyway.

[grim_reaper68]

7 hours ago, Aapje said:

If you are contemplating the 4080, then I would definitely wait for the 5080, which should be out in Januari. GPU's typically don't see good black friday deals anyway.

Maybe, but as told , I'm not ready to put over 1100€ in a new GPU, and I'm afraid the price the RTX50XX series would be way up higher than I can put on it. And with my actual setup, Ryzen 7 3700X and Asus B450 Tuf gaming MB, I couldn't expect to use the full power of the RTX50XX series. As I'm not going to play newest games, I'm sure RTX 40XX series or RX7900 would be sufficient for my use (DCS, MSFS 2020, Warthunder, and other "older" games). 

For the black friday, maybe, I'm hoping there will be good deals on the prime days on 8-9 of this month.

Thanks for all your advices

[Aapje]

AMD is rumored to release their first GPU of the new range in Januari, which is supposed to be a midrange card, probably between $500 and $600. So you can also wait for that if Prime doesn't work out, although waiting for a new gen is always a gamble.

I expect the new AMD cards to be much more power efficient, so you might save decent money on the electricity bill, since you appear to be in EU land.

Also, I would upgrade to a 5700X3D. It should transform your system.

[Vee.A]

24 minutes ago, Aapje said:

AMD is rumored to release their first GPU of the new range in Januari, which is supposed to be a midrange card, probably between $500 and $600. So you can also wait for that if Prime doesn't work out, although waiting for a new gen is always a gamble.

I expect the new AMD cards to be much more power efficient, so you might save decent money on the electricity bill, since you appear to be in EU land.

Also, I would upgrade to a 5700X3D. It should transform your system.

Is the 5700X3D really an advisable pick when it's two generations old now?

[Schmafuzius]

18 minutes ago, Vee.A said:

Is the 5700X3D really an advisable pick when it's two generations old now?

At least the 5800x3d seems to be still one of the best gaming CPUs

[kksnowbear]

3 hours ago, Vee.A said:

Is the 5700X3D really an advisable pick when it's two generations old now?

It's actually a pretty good choice if we assume someone wishes to upgrade (an AM4 board) without having to replace motherboard and probably memory.  I believe the comment you're referring to was itself referring to another post from someone who has an AM4 board:

4 hours ago, grim_reaper68 said:

And with my actual setup, Ryzen 7 3700X and Asus B450 Tuf gaming MB

Also, I'd go a step further to say the Zen3 X3D units are all still excellent gaming CPUs, regardless of being two generations old.  Anecdotally, I'd say the Zen5 units aren't considered much of a 'generational' improvement, at performance gains generally in the 5% range.  Kinda 'meh', to me anyway.  My current machine is a 7800X3D/4090, but I still have my 5800X3D up and running with a 3090...magnificent gaming platform.

3 hours ago, Schmafuzius said:

At least the 5800x3d seems to be still one of the best gaming CPUs

Yes, it is.  But it's also true that the 5700X3d might be had for a little less money, and is still a good gaming CPU in it's own right.  As above, this is especially true where we're discussing anyone who still has an AM4 board and wishes to 'maximize' that platform vs replacing it. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by kksnowbear

[grim_reaper68]

In fact, a CPU upgrade would be perfect.

When I look at this video , the 5800X3D would be a great choice. But unfortunately, I can find him nowhere, seems it no more avaible.

What about the 5950X who on the paper would be better than the 5800X3D and seems to be still on sale now?

 

 

[kksnowbear]

Yeah, that's also sometimes an issue: availability.  It seems the 5800X3D is getting sort of scarce - though I haven't looked much at all TBH.  Makes the 5700X3D perhaps more attractive IMHO.

Yes, the 5950X is also perfectly capable, though the 5800X3D remains - if arguably - the best gaming CPU from the Zen3 lineup.  The 5950X has other features that might be more appropriate in a general/varied workload environment, but for pure gaming, I think the X3Ds are better.

That said, cannot come up with a 5800X3D and if you can get a decent price on a 5950X where you are, also a great choice for an AM4 upgrade IMHO

[grim_reaper68]

It seems, that the AM4 CPU are on the end. I found the ryzen 7 5800X with a 58% discount on amazon...  

[Aapje]

The 5800X3D seems to be out of production, but the 5700X3D is probably very close in DCS.

And the 5950X is 50% more expensive, so the value per euro is worse for that one, especially if you also keep in mind that the 5950X is less efficient and will thus cost more in electricity costs.

[kksnowbear]

11 hours ago, grim_reaper68 said:

It seems, that the AM4 CPU are on the end. I found the ryzen 7 5800X with a 58% discount on amazon...  

If you're satisfied with the cost and other models aren't available, the 5800X seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me    In fact, I built one for a guy from here on the forum not too long ago, and he seems very happy (he's using a 'vanilla' 4070, for reference).

Best of luck to you!

[Beirut]

48 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

In fact, I built one for a guy from here on the forum not too long ago, and he seems very happy (he's using a 'vanilla' 4070, for reference).

 

I bought a "vanilla" 4070 about a year ago and I'm very happy with it. Didn't have to change my PSU to handle it and it was a sweet! upgrade from my 2060 Super.

 

I fly small missions with the eye candy up high at 1440p and the 4070 gives me great flights. I've thought upgrading but no real reason to.

[Joch1955]

I have a 5800x3D. Great CPU for gaming and still very high up in CPU rankings. If your MB is compatible, it or a 5700x3D is a great upgrade. There are newer x3D CPUs, but you have to change your motherboard and get DDR5 RAM which is a more expensive proposition.

Important to choose a AMD “x3D” CPU and not a regular “X”. The X3Ds have a large internal cache, i.e. extra internal memory which makes all the difference in gaming.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
 

 

[grim_reaper68]

I forgot to mention that I'm using an 1920*1080 screen, with an additional 1680*1050. So in fact, I think, that the performance will be there with all of those GPU's. And for the X3D's as said the AM4 platform CPU's seems to be at end of life as the 5800X3D is no more avaible. 

I've found this interesting video 5800X3D vs 5950 in VR, the performance are really close for both of them.

 

[kksnowbear]

25 minutes ago, Joch1955 said:

Important to choose a AMD “x3D” CPU and not a regular “X”. The X3Ds have a large internal cache, i.e. extra internal memory which makes all the difference in gaming.

While it's certainly true the X3D CPUs are better at gaming, it's also very common knowledge - and thus reflected in prices.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with "regular X" models (like 5800X).  Having owned many and built many, many others including quite a few for DCS players from this site, I can tell you it's more a matter of budget.

Naturally, if you can find and afford the cost difference for a 5800X3D, it's still a great CPU.  However, a 5800X can deliver the vast majority of the same performance for a lot less money.  Worth considering, to someone in the right circumstances.  In fact, I'd even recommend that if there are significant budget constraints, the 5800X is a better move (or 5700X3D as above, depending on price and availability), assuming the difference is put toward a better GPU.  Could more than make up for the difference in a 5800X vs an X3D.

In short, nothing at all wrong about considering an X model Zen3 CPU instead of an X3D. It simply depends on the circumstances, particularly (as always) budget and availability.

[kksnowbear]

5 minutes ago, grim_reaper68 said:

I've found this interesting video 5800X3D vs 5950 in VR, the performance are really close for both of them.

Without actually studying it; yes, this can easily be the case.

Again, I've owned both and built many others.  While there are differences, and the X3Ds are widely known as the better gaming CPUs, the difference can be a lot less than all the hype suggests.  And with fairly big differences in cost I've seen, like I said, I might even go so far as to say buy a 5800X, put the money saved toward a better GPU (which is going to make more of a performance difference, dollar for dollar).

But again: Depends on specific price and availability, as it always does.

[bigdaddybones30]

How did this question for GPU turn into a CPU thread? I have a 6900XT wonder if i shoulg gey 7900XTX or wait for new. Im sure it will come back to get a 9800X3D.

 

[grim_reaper68]

Hi

Just a feedback for the RX7900XTX, I have it now since one month, and the FPS gain is very good. But now, I have strange ghosting effect in the external flyby view, and when I'm at some distance from the aircraft. I tried many settings in the Adrenaline soft and in DCS, but nothing helps. I also roll back on the AMD driver to see if it helps, but no result. If someone could help me, I would be glad.   

[Aapje]

10 hours ago, bigdaddybones30 said:

How did this question for GPU turn into a CPU thread? I have a 6900XT wonder if i should get 7900XTX or wait for new. Im sure it will come back to get a 9800X3D.

The new cards are so close by that I would suggest just waiting.