ILS RWY 31 at Muwaffaq Salti

[leoliao]

After Speptember update some major changes have been made to Muwaffaq Ssalti Airbase,including the ILS. But there are still some minor issues about it. The ILS of RWY31, still not working, though you can set the frequency 108.9 but get no signal.

[draconus]

On 10/8/2024 at 1:51 PM, leoliao said:

you can set the frequency 108.9 but get no signal

Was this active runway at this time? Did you contact ATC? They would tell you.

[leoliao]

2小时前，draconus说：

Was this active runway at this time? Did you contact ATC? They would tell you.

You are right. But It is kind weird between the wind direction and active runway. RWY31 will only be activated when the nav wind is somewhere 220-260. That would make tail and cross wind to land.

I hope both ILS to be on,not only when the RWY is activated. RWY 31 is closer to ramp. At current stage RWY31 will only be activated when the nav wind is somewhere 220-260. That would make tail and cross wind to land.

[razo+r]

24 minutes ago, leoliao said:

You are right. But It is kind weird between the wind direction and active runway. RWY31 will only be activated when the nav wind is somewhere 220-260. That would make tail and cross wind to land.

I hope both ILS to be on,not only when the RWY is activated. RWY 31 is closer to ramp. At current stage RWY31 will only be activated when the nav wind is somewhere 220-260. That would make tail and cross wind to land.

"Nav wind" as far as I know is wind coming from, so it would be headwind.

Either way, some slight tailwind is and can be acceptable as long as it is within the airframe and performance limitations.

Edited October 11, 2024 by razo+r

[leoliao]

43分钟前，razo+r说：

"Nav wind" as far as I know is wind coming from, so it would be headwind.

Either way, some slight tailwind is and can be acceptable as long as it is within the airframe and performance limitations.

 

navigational wind is wind going to, meteorlogical wind is wind coming from. If nav wind is 220-260, the best runway should be RWY04-RWY08. Of course slight tailwind would be acceptable, but isn't it better to land in haedwind?  I just want both ILS systems are ON, so we can choose the RWY we prefer, if it is possible

[razo+r]

Fair enough. Can you tell us what wind you set and the strength? Sometimes DCS can be weird if the wind is not strong enough, like for example 2-5 kts wind setting.

38 minutes ago, leoliao said:

navigational wind is wind going to, meteorlogical wind is wind coming from. If nav wind is 220-260, the best runway should be RWY04-RWY08. Of course slight tailwind would be acceptable, but isn't it better to land in haedwind?  I just want both ILS systems are ON, so we can choose the RWY we prefer, if it is possible

It is better to land into the wind for performance reason but sometimes due to operational reasons landing with a tailwind is acceptable and prefered.

And to be honest, if you want to land with headwind so much, just do an ILS followed by a circling.

As for selectable runways, perhaps that will be available in a few decades when ED has overhauled the ATC system.

Edited October 11, 2024 by razo+r

[MAXsenna]

55 minutes ago, leoliao said:

  I just want both ILS systems are ON, so we can choose the RWY we prefer, if it is possible

I don't think DCS supports that, for some reason. So it's not currently possible. 

[IvanK]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

I don't think DCS supports that, for some reason. So it's not currently possible. 

And that is a daft arrangement. Both Runway lighting and ILS activation should be pilot selectable. You should have the ability to call for the runway you want and get the runway lights and navaids to support it. As for ILS they should all be on all the time.

[MAXsenna]

And that is a daft arrangement. Both Runway lighting and ILS activation should be pilot selectable. You should have the ability to call for the runway you want and get the runway lights and navaids to support it. As for ILS they should all be on all the time.

Sure. Hopefully a new feature when we eventually get the updated ATC.

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[draconus]

17 hours ago, leoliao said:

I just want both ILS systems are ON, so we can choose the RWY we prefer, if it is possible

This is not your own grass field and RWY is not to be chosen by the pilot - it's the ATC/tower job for the logistic and safety reasons.

[leoliao]

1小时前，draconus说：

This is not your own grass field and RWY is not to be chosen by the pilot - it's the ATC/tower job for the logistic and safety reasons.

in some way it is my own airfield in my own desktop. single mission, my mission my choice isn't it?

I'm not trying to be disrepectful, I'm just saying that ED has this "active runway" system, maybe it could be more smart? Especially for airports with mutiple runways

Being able to choose ins't a bad thing

Edited October 12, 2024 by leoliao

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

This is not your own grass field and RWY is not to be chosen by the pilot - it's the ATC/tower job for the logistic and safety reasons.

Sure! While the mission designer should be able to, right?  

[draconus]

54 minutes ago, leoliao said:

in some way it is my own airfield in my own desktop. single mission, my mission my choice isn't it?

Yes, of course, and you already know how to do it - just set right wind direction and speed.

[leoliao]

16小时前，IvanK说：

And that is a daft arrangement. Both Runway lighting and ILS activation should be pilot selectable. You should have the ability to call for the runway you want and get the runway lights and navaids to support it. As for ILS they should all be on all the time.

Quite so

[razo+r]

On 10/11/2024 at 6:19 PM, leoliao said:

You are right. But It is kind weird between the wind direction and active runway. RWY31 will only be activated when the nav wind is somewhere 220-260. That would make tail and cross wind to land.

I hope both ILS to be on,not only when the RWY is activated. RWY 31 is closer to ramp. At current stage RWY31 will only be activated when the nav wind is somewhere 220-260. That would make tail and cross wind to land.

Sorry for the late ping but I finally managed to try it out myself.

I can force RWY 31 to be active by giving it the proper wind, like 310/10 (meteo) for example. So there is absolutely no need for tailwind and I suspect you just didn't set the wind speed strong enough. DCS is behaving weird at lower wind speeds.

With this wind, RWY 31 is active. However, if I tune to the ILS with 108.9, I do get the identifier but no indications. ILS 26 works though.

So I guess you did indeed find a bug.

[leoliao]

6小时前，razo+r说：

Sorry for the late ping but I finally managed to try it out myself.

I can force RWY 31 to be active by giving it the proper wind, like 310/10 (meteo) for example. So there is absolutely no need for tailwind and I suspect you just didn't set the wind speed strong enough. DCS is behaving weird at lower wind speeds.

With this wind, RWY 31 is active. However, if I tune to the ILS with 108.9, I do get the identifier but no indications. ILS 26 works though.

So I guess you did indeed find a bug.

I didn't take the speed into consideration, I will try it sometime later, and thanks for your effort.

[draconus]

I confirm RWY31 active with wind at ground set to 10kts and direction from 310 (headwind). Apparently even 6kts is not enough. I can also confirm ILS 108.90 does not work then.

When RWY26 is active ILS 109.70 works fine.

One thing to notice. ME does show white ILS marks and freq for both runways while in game F10 map details mention only one: ILS 109.70 for RWY26. This is inconsistency/bug - @MAESTR0 can we report it?

[leoliao]

2024/10/17 PM4点33分，draconus说：

I confirm RWY31 active with wind at ground set to 10kts and direction from 310 (headwind). Apparently even 6kts is not enough. I can also confirm ILS 108.90 does not work then.

When RWY26 is active ILS 109.70 works fine.

One thing to notice. ME does show white ILS marks and freq for both runways while in game F10 map details mention only one: ILS 109.70 for RWY26. This is inconsistency/bug - @MAESTR0 can we report it?

after October update, the ILS RWY31 was changed from 108.90 to 107.70. However you can not even set the ILS frequency to 107.70, RWY31 activated by the way.

[Recoil16]

On 10/31/2024 at 4:08 PM, leoliao said:

after October update, the ILS RWY31 was changed from 108.90 to 107.70. However you can not even set the ILS frequency to 107.70, RWY31 activated by the way.

Right, 107.7 is an invalid frequency for an ILS. This regression is reported.