correct as is CCRP doesn't work with APKWS, unlike all other rockets

[Hulkbust44]

If you select CCRP with APKWS selected, after a few seconds you'll get a CCRP INVALID.

 

 

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[Yurgon]

Can you show that in a short track?

[Hulkbust44]

1 hour ago, Yurgon said:

Can you show that in a short track?

Here you go, after a few seconds the APKWS will go CCRP INVALID

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[ASAP]

It doesn't work the same way because the CCRP solution for all the other rockets is to loft an unguided rocket. APKWS is guided and would require a different solution that presents a LAR. Current A-10's have a CCRP AGR-20 HUD mode, it did not have it for a long time, and its not currently simulated in the game.

[Hulkbust44]

19 minutes ago, ASAP said:

It doesn't work the same way because the CCRP solution for all the other rockets is to loft an unguided rocket. APKWS is guided and would require a different solution that presents a LAR. Current A-10's have a CCRP AGR-20 HUD mode, it did not have it for a long time, and its not currently simulated in the game.

Oh interesting so this is intended behavior? I did find I can just "load" it as a different warhead in the DSMS and it'll still fire so I can just do that.

[ASAP]

17 hours ago, Hulkbust44 said:

Oh interesting so this is intended behavior? I did find I can just "load" it as a different warhead in the DSMS and it'll still fire so I can just do that.

It is accurately simulated for an A-10 thats pre suit-10.

You can load it as a different type of rocket... but that just puts the rocket on a ballistic profile assuming no guidance at all. It probably isn't going to put the rocket initially at an angle where it is going see the laser spot either.

[Priest]

I've been messing around with CCRP rockets recently and right unfortunately CCRP doesn't work with APKWS. Thinking I was clever I had the idea to manually load it as a standard rocket type but when I do that DSMS shows the station in RED indicating a stores mismatch. So I'm curious how are you loading APKWS as a non-APKWS rocket type without the DSMS error?

On 10/11/2024 at 3:07 PM, ASAP said:

It is accurately simulated for an A-10 thats pre suit-10.

You can load it as a different type of rocket... but that just puts the rocket on a ballistic profile assuming no guidance at all. It probably isn't going to put the rocket initially at an angle where it is going see the laser spot either.

 

[Yurgon]

2 hours ago, Priest said:

Thinking I was clever I had the idea to manually load it as a standard rocket type but when I do that DSMS shows the station in RED indicating a stores mismatch.

Interesting; as far as the jet is concerned, I'd have thought it would detect a LAU-131 or a LAU-68 (IIRC), but should be entirely unable to tell which rockets are in there.

So just to be clear, you had the DSMS fully loaded with APKWS on at least one station, then you went into DSMS -> INV and changed that station to another type of rocket with the same launcher, and then it showed an error? Which was the indication next to the station?

[Priest]

I just figured it out! After manually changing the rocket type on station 8 to M-151 (these are really M-282L) there was no profile for the "M-151" so I created that manually through the profile page and everything green!

@Yurgon and yes to answer your question M-282L loaded at mission start on stations 4, 8, and 2 per mission editor loadout, then DSMS-INV page, select station 8 (in this case) and cycle to a different rocket type, save, and I'd get the screen shot above. The missing piece was the profile select station 8 (in this case again) then select PROF, then enter name for profile via scratchpad, select OSB with NEW[] next to it on left, then SAVE, and done.

Edited August 3 by Priest

[Yurgon]

14 hours ago, Priest said:

The missing piece was the profile select station 8 (in this case again) then select PROF, then enter name for profile via scratchpad, select OSB with NEW[] next to it on left, then SAVE, and done.

Awesome!

Yeah that makes sense; with no M151 loaded before, there's indeed no profile for it, and the "P" error code says exactly that. But I also forgot that this was going to be a necessary step.

[ASAP]

On 8/2/2025 at 5:26 PM, Priest said:

I've been messing around with CCRP rockets recently and right unfortunately CCRP doesn't work with APKWS. Thinking I was clever I had the idea to manually load it as a standard rocket type but when I do that DSMS shows the station in RED indicating a stores mismatch. So I'm curious how are you loading APKWS as a non-APKWS rocket type without the DSMS error?

 

This was more a hypothetical. IRL the jet doesn't know or care what kind of rocket is in that pod. The video game designers apparently modeled the pod to be a lot smarter than its real life counterpart.

[Snoopy]

On 8/23/2025 at 3:45 AM, ASAP said:

This was more a hypothetical. IRL the jet doesn't know or care what kind of rocket is in that pod. The video game designers apparently modeled the pod to be a lot smarter than its real life counterpart.

That's incorrect, I don't recall what suite number now (real life not DCS obviously) but within the last few years the A-10C does have APKWS symbology in the HUD.  

as to you comment "the video game designers apparently modeled the pod to be a lot smarter than its real life counterpart" they took artistic liberties concerning the DSMS interface (another example is being able to change GBU-12 laser codes in the DSMS) because we don't have things like proper planning software or a DTC.

Edited September 16 by Snoopy

[ASAP]

On 9/16/2025 at 11:00 AM, Snoopy said:

That's incorrect, I don't recall what suite number now (real life not DCS obviously) but within the last few years the A-10C does have APKWS symbology in the HUD.  

No it isn't. The jet still doesn't know or care what kind of rocket is in the pod. And there is absolutely no communication between the jet and the rocket other than a firing impulse. The DSMS will not show red if you load a pod of AGR-20's as a pod of WP. There's no 1760 bus connection for the pod or the rockets to talk to the jet and tell it what it is. That's what I meant.

You are correct however, there is a CCRP mode for AGR-20s and the pilot can (and should) tell the DSMS that the rocket pod is AGR-20s and the jet will display an AGR-20 LAR in CCRP. That's a relatively new feature. But the jet only knows it's an AGR-20 because the pilot told the jet, the jet doesn't know on its own. You could load any rocket of any variety, and the jet will still let you fire it. The symbology you get may or may not be accurate be based on what you input. 

Edited Friday at 01:12 PM by ASAP

[Snoopy]

13 hours ago, ASAP said:

No it isn't. The jet still doesn't know or care what kind of rocket is in the pod. And there is absolutely no communication between the jet and the rocket other than a firing impulse. The DSMS will not show red if you load a pod of AGR-20's as a pod of WP. There's no 1760 bus connection for the pod or the rockets to talk to the jet and tell it what it is. That's what I meant.

You are correct however, there is a CCRP mode for AGR-20s and the pilot can (and should) tell the DSMS that the rocket pod is AGR-20s and the jet will display an AGR-20 LAR in CCRP. That's a relatively new Suite 10 feature. But the jet only knows it's an AGR-20 because the pilot told the jet, the jet doesn't know on its own. You could load any rocket of any variety, and the jet will still let you fire it. The symbology you get may or may not be accurate be based on what you input. 

I said the HUD shows APKWS symbology I didn't say the rocket pod was "smart" but thanks for your reply.