jpm1 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 :cry_2: c'est choquant jpm1! This is one of the scariest things I've ever heard. I speak english,french and arabic...so every single word was clear to me... RIP all victims. j'ai réflechi avant de poster , finalement j'ai décidé de poster car la cause du crash ne doit pas être passée sous silence . perso j'ai arrêté la vidéo quand ils disent "on touche l'eau" pas pu aller plus loin trans : i thought about it before posting , finally i did it the crash origin shouldn't be passed under silence . personnally i stopped when they say "we touch the water" couldn't watch more SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
dawestsides Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Now the pilots are facing 10 years in jail... [/url]My MAKS 2015 Pictures
jpm1 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Now the pilots are facing 10 years in jail... seems the pilot "bet" on his engines restart , if he had chosen the security to glide to the nearest airport he would probably have been able to land at Palermo as there was a tail wind that day (a french pilot recreated the situation and proved it was possible) .. sad article SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CE_Mikemonster Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Not meaning to hijack the thread any further, but in one of the images found in the reference link the prop is feathered? Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T
jpm1 Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 seems the wreck site has been found (engines,tires, and even bodies :cry:) http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/2011-03/crash-rio-paris-des-elements-de-l-avion-localises-6345360.html 1 SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
jpm1 Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 a black box has been found SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
-fox- Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 At the moment it's not clear if it's still readable though. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13255673
SFJackBauer Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 It amazes me the perseverance of all involved in the search. The causes of an accident like this cannot be ignored, and they are really committed to it, even though its like searching a needle in an ocean.
jpm1 Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 At the moment it's not clear if it's still readable though. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13255673 that's obvious that after two years , none can be sure at 100% . but it's very likely that it gives at least few informations It amazes me the perseverance of all involved in the search. The causes of an accident like this cannot be ignored, and they are really committed to it, even though its like searching a needle in an ocean. political . if another same type aircraft crashes for identical reason , it's the in place government's end SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
jpm1 Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 @ ljekio ulmar : 3900 m deep , even a nuclear attack submarine participated to the research SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoyan Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 I hope it will help solve the mystery of this accident; there are a lots of airplanes of the same model flying around the world and we still don't know if it was a technical issue.
tflash Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Yes, indeed very, very important find! Fantastic work of the search party! I hope we will come to know what happened with that flight. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
nomdeplume Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) An article here (via AFP) says a second black box has been recovered. BEA chief Jean-Paul Troadec said says the recorder was "in good condition". "The chassis, the module and even the underwater locator beacon is there," he said. Edit: engineeringnews.co.za has some recent coverage of it, including this article. The French air accident investigation agency, the Bureau d’Enquetes et d’Analyses (BEA), announced on Wednesday that the chassis of the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) from crashed Air France Airbus A330-200 F-GZCP had been found at the bottom of the South Atlantic. Unfortunately, the Crash Survivable Memory Unit (CSMU) is no longer attached to the FDR chassis and has not yet been located. Retrieval of the CSMU is of great importance for the investigation of the accident, as it contains all the data from the aircraft’s instruments. ... The FDR is one of the two “Black Boxes” (which are actually orange in colour) which are carried by commercial aircraft, the other being the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR). As yet, there is no indication of the location of the CVR. Edited May 10, 2011 by nomdeplume 1
nomdeplume Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Recorder data is intact: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13412061 "Following operations to open, extract, clean and dry the memory cards from the flight recorders, BEA safety investigators were able to download the data over the weekend," the BEA air investigation agency said in a statement. "These downloads gathered all of the data from the flight data recorder, as well as the whole recording of the last two hours of the flight from the cockpit voice recorder."While there'll be an interim term in the next few months, the full report isn't expected until next year, with analysis of the data expected to take several months.
tflash Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 Speed sensors at fault: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/05/27/air.france.447.crash/index.html?hpt=T1 Horrific! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 I remember this being referred right after the crash and prompted companies to make special inspections and modifications... .
SimFreak Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 Speed sensors at fault: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/05/27/air.france.447.crash/index.html?hpt=T1 Horrific! What a horrible article. "Co-pilot PF said "I don't have any more indications", and the co-pilot PNF said "we have no valid indications"." I don't even know wtf that means. They have two copilots? Since when? PF = pilot flying PNF = pilot not flying.
Panzertard Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 A slight derail - but since this flight hasn't been the only one going down due to sensor-problems: - I don't understand why the aircraft industry hasn't been more concerned over the fact that these sensors, monitoring and automation is now critical to stay airborne. The combine factors of: a) Automation of a lot of the standard procedures & operations. b) Putting either a computer or a human to monitor it (Airbus vs Boeing) - making decitions based on flawed sensors. c) Not having implemented sufficient faulty sensor detection d) Not sufficiently training pilots to detect faulty sensors together with safe standards to stay airborne even with critical sensors going offline. I hope the industry learns - and quickly. The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open | The important thing is not to stop questioning
Sov13t Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 A note has been published by the BEA. Located here: http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/point.enquete.af447.27mai2011.en.pdf Most likely a lot of the conversation is left out, but by what is there... it seems like the pilots weren't aware of their -10000ft/min vertical speed at all. So they just stalled all the way down from 37000 ft... to 0... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Regiment | Forum | Statistics DCS: MiG-21Bis
BTTW-DratsaB Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 Reading the article on BBC's news site it seems very odd. Easy for a desktop pilot to say I know but, numerous time there where stall warnings but they never increase speed, it just mentions that they decreased throttle. Why would you ever decrease throttle at a stall warning? Also, twice after there was a stall warning they say the tried to "raise the nose". Like Sov13t says, its like they just stalled from 37000 foot to 0 Specs: GA-Z87X-UD3H, i7-4770k, 16GB, RTX2060, SB AE-5, 750watt Corsair PSU, X52, Track IR4, Win10x64. Sim Settings: Textures: ? | Scenes: ? |Water: ? | Visibility Range: ? | Heat Blur: ? | Shadows: ? | Res: 1680x1050 | Aspect: 16:10 | Monitors: 1 Screen | MSAA: ? | Tree Visibility: ? | Vsync: On | Mirrors: ? | Civ Traffic: High | Res Of Cockpit Disp: 512 | Clutter: ? | Fullscreen: On
Panzertard Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 Conflicting feedback. How to decide what information which is correct - and what information is false. Quite dangerous situation - a wrong choice and you may end up in a situation you cannot get out of. The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open | The important thing is not to stop questioning
tflash Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 The basic fact is that staying airborne at 37.000 ft is a completely different ballgame than doing the same at say 4000 ft. The wrong speed can very quickly lead to a stall. The small animation on this French site explains how it could happen that the pilots failed to react: the plane just fell from the sky, it was all over at once. http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2011/05/27/01016-20110527ARTFIG00543-le-scenario-officiel-de-la-catastrophe-de-l-af447.php I wonder if we could replicate such a thing in FSX. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Sov13t Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 I guess nobody was paying attention to Altitude and Horizon/Pitch angle? I mean engines at Idle with a 13+ degree pitch??? That is just counter intuitive... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Regiment | Forum | Statistics DCS: MiG-21Bis
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