need evidence of use for us black 50 2007 or earlier AGM-154-A1

[EchoOneOne]

The AGM-154A-1 (JSOW-A) with the BLU-111/B warhead should be added to the F-16CM in DCS. Currently, the F-16 lacks effective capabilities to engage and destroy hardened targets, limiting its versatility in strike missions. The inclusion of the AGM-154A-1 would provide a crucial standoff weapon capable of penetrating reinforced structures, significantly enhancing the F-16's effectiveness in challenging combat scenarios. This addition would not only bring greater realism to the simulation but also offer players more strategic options when dealing with heavily fortified enemy assets.

[NineLine]

Hey, thanks for the post, have you seen any solid evidence this was operationally deployed for US F-16 units 2007 or prior? Thanks!

[Tholozor]

My understanding was that the AGM-154A-1 was manufactured for Foreign Military Sales.

UNCLASSIFIED: https://www.dacis.com/budget/budget_pdf/FY09/PROC/N/2230.pdf

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Production of the AGM-154A-1 variant was awarded in March 2006 in support of Turkey FMS requirements.

https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2166748/agm-154-joint-standoff-weapon-jsow/

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A modified version of the AGM-154A, termed AGM-154A-1 was developed and produced for Foreign Military Sales.

 

[EchoOneOne]

I took matters into my own hands.
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3341963/

Edited November 7, 2024 by EchoOneOne

[Mr. Wilson]

В 28.10.2024 в 17:55, NineLine сказал:

Hey, thanks for the post, have you seen any solid evidence this was operationally deployed for US F-16 units 2007 or prior? Thanks!

Based on the practice of communication on adding something to the game, it seems to me that even if we write to you or provide proof that it was in 2007, then your next remark will be something like - "we have a very special unique F16 for the national guard, of which there are only 10 in the entire army, and we need to find proof that these 10 F16s carried this weapon"... Although, for example, I don’t know why you try to go so deep into the nuances to specifically underestimate the capabilities of the aircraft... 

I am deeply convinced that you need to radically change your policy in this area, this would significantly increase the level of player satisfaction... Because we all know very well that even if an aircraft was made or modernized in 2007, then as new modifications of weapons are released, they are integrated into these old aircraft as well and are successfully used... As you can see today we see a very clear example that the dinosaur era aircraft MiG-29 use AGM-88 missiles as well as GBU39 bombs and others, and your F16 from 2007, for example, still cannot do this. If you had such a policy, then on the F16 of 2007 you would already have integrated ammunition up to 2012, which you already have in the game, or you would include them in the game and make the module even more attractive...

Based on the above, I conclude that for some reason you are artificially limiting the attractiveness of the module. Maybe you are doing this in order to sell the f-16 version 2.0 later, but this is a slightly toxic path...

В 07.11.2024 в 16:54, EchoOneOne сказал:

I took matters into my own hands.
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3341963/

Unfortunately this is not a solution because you will not be able to use it on multiplayer servers, so I would like to see it added by the official developer.

[EchoOneOne]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Wilson said:

Unfortunately this is not a solution because you will not be able to use it on multiplayer servers, so I would like to see it added by the official developer.

You can definitely use this mod on servers, not including those with IC.

[Mr. Wilson]

11 минут назад, EchoOneOne сказал:

You can definitely use this mod on servers, not including those with IC.

IC ?

[EchoOneOne]

1 hour ago, Mr. Wilson said:

IC ?

Integrity Check

[Mr. Wilson]

1 час назад, EchoOneOne сказал:

Integrity Check

I understand you But basically all these checks are enabled on PvP format servers...

[BIGNEWY]

For our Viper we are modeling to the best of our data on how  a US F-16C Blk 50 operated around 2007... not at later update to it.  No matter what we do, someone will be upset that it's too accurate and does not include other systems or not accurate enough., In the end, we decided and will continue to model based on what we can confirm as operation for this aircraft at that time.

If you can provide definite proof of a system being operation for our specific Viper in the correct timeframe, we will of course consider if public references are available.

We have very limited resources and we must be careful to allocate those resources only when we are certain that we will not have to backtrack it later and waste that investment.

[Zahnatom]

13 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

For our Viper we are modeling to the best of our data on how  a US F-16C Blk 50 operated around 2007... not at later update to it.  No matter what we do, someone will be upset that it's too accurate and does not include other systems or not accurate enough., In the end, we decided and will continue to model based on what we can confirm as operation for this aircraft at that time.

If you can provide definite proof of a system being operation for our specific Viper in the correct timeframe, we will of course consider if public references are available.

We have very limited resources and we must be careful to allocate those resources only when we are certain that we will not have to backtrack it later and waste that investment.

If resources are limited, why not expand the scope of this product in order to attract more customers?

After all, it's trivial for a mission creator to restrict weapon loadouts compared to avionics. It's their responsibility to set restrictions to whatever is appropriate for the time of the mission, not yours.

Adding these systems is nothing but an insignificant annoyance to those who dont want it, compared to a rather big issue for those who do.

You could also let modders model these so it doesn't take up your resources but according to statements from ED staff, that's undesired as well.

Citing resources as a reason to not do this specific weapon is laughable. This weapon would require maybe 4 man hours to implement as the models and code are 90% there already anyways (AGM-154A as the model and AGM-154C for the code). 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Zahnatom

[BIGNEWY]

As I mentioned above, we are specifically modelling a 2007 US F-16C Block 50, we are not and have no plans to create a Frankenstein Viper with weapons from later OFPs. Also, as mentioned, we will only include systems in our Viper that we have public data on. Sorry if that disappoints you, but this will not change.

thank you