Sensitivity of Pedals

[silverdevil]

Hello All

I have been flying F16 from day one release and have always had problems with rudder. The sensitivity of NWS vs rudder is quite different. What are the suggestions for pedals curves? Dead zone needed for NWS?

Pedals are MFG Crosswinds.

Thanks!

Edited December 2, 2024 by silverdevil

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

That depends on so many factors. I have the Thrustmaster TPR, and I only use deadzone for rudder if i notice movement when I simply rest my feet on them. That depends on the module.

I also recently moved my rudder pedals a bit closer to me, which made fine control so much easier…

I find the seating position and distance to the rudders to have a major impact.

[silverdevil]

52 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

That depends on so many factors. I have the Thrustmaster TPR, and I only use deadzone for rudder if i notice movement when I simply rest my feet on them. That depends on the module.

I also recently moved my rudder pedals a bit closer to me, which made fine control so much easier…

I find the seating position and distance to the rudders to have a major impact.

thanks for the response. my problem with F16 at least is i barely touch the pedals and the plane jerks to one side or the other depending on which pedal is pressed. but when you get to speed on a roll out the rudder is fine.

i am like you and am aware of seat position. it does make a difference. i even have caster brakes on the chair to keep it still. the pedals sit on a carpet square with "male" velcro on the bottom of the pedals to keep them from moving.

thanks again for the input.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

58 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

i even have caster brakes on the chair to keep it still. the pedals sit on a carpet square with "male" velcro on the bottom of the pedals to keep them from moving.

I do exactly the same thing!
I just checked in-game, and for the F-16 I use a deadzone of 1 on pedals and no curve. I hope you find a solution!

[silverdevil]

Just now, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I do exactly the same thing!
I just checked in-game, and for the F-16 I use a deadzone of 1 on pedals and no curve. I hope you find a solution!

great minds think alike  if i find an answer, i will share.

[MAXsenna]

Hmm! No curves nor deadzone at all. Don't sit in a castering nor swiveling chair, (that WAS a bitch before). Slaw Rotors. I find the F-16 very forgiving actually, even if I don't line up perfectly. Turn off NWS immediately when starting the takeoff.
No clue if any of "my settings" above help. The chair type helps immensely in helicopters, and going from the cheapo TM pedals to the Slaws helped of course. So who knows...

Edit: BTW, what's your load out?

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[silverdevil]

7 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Hmm! No curves nor deadzone at all. Don't sit in a castering nor swiveling chair, (that WAS a bitch before). Slaw Rotors. I find the F-16 very forgiving actually, even if I don't line up perfectly. Turn off NWS immediately when starting the takeoff.
No clue if any of "my settings" above help. The chair type helps immensely in helicopters, and going from the cheapo TM pedals to the Slaws helped of course. So who knows...

Edit: BTW, what's your load out?

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in my recent attempts the AC is empty except fuel. taxiing seemed more touchy than i remember. 

i made some headway last night. i did a tad of deadzone and some curve. i do not know why all this time using the same settings were all of a sudden different. i had no curve before.

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[Hiob]

1 minute ago, silverdevil said:

 taxiing seemed more touchy than i remember. 

 

 

I have to agree on that.  I had the same impression lately, that suddenly I can't seem to touch the pedals light enough to not overcontrol on the ground.
I thought it was my hardware and just helped myself with a (hardware) deadzone... but yes, the Viper feels VERY touchy on the ground lately.

[silverdevil]

Just now, Hiob said:

but yes, the Viper feels VERY touchy on the ground lately.

thanks for confirming. i thought i was going more crazy. i really cannot put my finger on the point when it started. like after a patch.

[Hiob]

15 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

thanks for confirming. i thought i was going more crazy. i really cannot put my finger on the point when it started. like after a patch.

same.

I didn't say anything because I thought I messed something up (hardware related) because I switched to DIY FFB-Pedals around the same time.

It reminds me now of the Mirage F1, which was always very responsive (not to say touchy) on take off.

[Chibawang]

Yea I had this problem, thrust master pedals. Only solution I have is I use a slight curve and cranked the Y axis saturation way down. That fixed it, and after testing rudder authority doesn’t seem affected. 

[rob10]

3 hours ago, Chibawang said:

Yea I had this problem, thrust master pedals. Only solution I have is I use a slight curve and cranked the Y axis saturation way down. That fixed it, and after testing rudder authority doesn’t seem affected. 

Just in case you weren't aware, there is a bug currently with the F-16 and low speed with rudders.  So don't be surprised if you need to tweak them back after (likely the next) update.

[Chibawang]

I am aware, I did this for NWS purposes. I will acknowledge that I need to fully deflect my pedals to the extremes every time I load in, otherwise the ranges of input are way off. A light pressure on the left rudder results in running off the taxiway. Even after doing so the problem exists without control mods

[MAXsenna]

I am aware, I did this for NWS purposes. I will acknowledge that I need to fully deflect my pedals to the extremes every time I load in, otherwise the ranges of input are way off. A light pressure on the left rudder results in running off the taxiway. Even after doing so the problem exists without control mods

Wouldn't surprise me the least if they have to do to pedals what they did to the stick, as the real pedals are also force sensing.  

[Chibawang]

Are they really? I didn’t know that. 
 

Well anyway, most people don’t seem to have my issues, so I think it has something to do with how DCS interfaces with my specific thrustmaster pedals. The cheap ones.  I’ve heard of others having the same problems with those. But other sims don’t share the problems so it isn’t the hardware itself.

[MAXsenna]

4 minutes ago, Chibawang said:

Are they really? I didn’t know that. 
 

Well anyway, most people don’t seem to have my issues, so I think it has something to do with how DCS interfaces with my specific thrustmaster pedals. The cheap ones.  I’ve heard of others having the same problems with those. But other sims don’t share the problems so it isn’t the hardware itself.

I used those betore. Added A LOT of Nyogel 767 to those for some dampening effect. Main issue with the as that one is supposed to place your feet in them. Much easier when the heel is on the floor and push with the toes, sort of. 

If you look in the 3D module. You can se them move very little, and like bicycle handle bars.

[Chibawang]

10 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Added A LOT of Nyogel 767 to those for some dampening effect.

I'll look into that, thanks for the tip. Yes I can't really fly with feet on pedals, but that's a separate issue. Something about them goes wild whenever I first log in, have to remember to warm up the axis, and even then the steering is insane without bringing down the y axis by a lot. It's caused me a lot of embarrassment before I figured out a workaround. 

[Chibawang]

3 hours ago, Schlingel mit Kringel said:

"nutcracker pedals"

LMAO, that's a perfect name for them. Yes, that's what I use. I really only fly the 16 these days, so basically just need them on the ground. Otherwise I would be more tempted to upgrade. But they work fine in O T H E R   S I M

[speed-of-heat]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:58 AM, silverdevil said:

thanks for confirming. i thought i was going more crazy. i really cannot put my finger on the point when it started. like after a patch.

For me it's a consistent veer to the right on takeoff roll, I'll try the 20 curve as above, I have a dampened set of MFG crosswinds

Edited December 15, 2024 by speed-of-heat

[silverdevil]

5 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

I have a dampened set of MFG crosswinds

good point speed. i have a dampener too. i wonder if that matters??

[Chibawang]

2 hours ago, Schlingel mit Kringel said:

Believe me, my center body mass hums Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite after a 300km helicopter flight These pedals truly are no recommendation for a male user.

Not sure if you meant this when you said "warm up the pedal axis" earlier, but moving the pedals to their full extend left and right before i hit "fly" on the briefing screen so far seems to fix it for me. Flew Mi-8, Mi-24, F-16 all fine, the Viggen was really prone to nosewheel oversteering too but also seems fine now.

Luckily for me I guess, my package isn't so heavy as to feel claustrophobic!  

That is what I mean yes, I usually do it before taxi. Still, the sensitivity in DCS seems way too high even after curves and deadzone. Lowering saturation made it much more managable. Not ideal I realize, but I haven't noticed anything wrong in the air, even during BFM. Which leads me to believe NWS is just too tweaky. 

Supposedly, they patched a lower friction value in one of the gear tires that was supposed to fix the drift on takeoff, but it's still there. That only took them multiple years to realize one of the values was off, after countless complaints and bug reports. I wouldn't be surprised to learn there's another issue like that remaining.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Chibawang

[MAXsenna]

I don't really think this is a unique Viper issue but more a general DCS input thing. The Viggen was worst from all planes to the point i only used differential breaking to stay on track even on taxi - the NWS was unusable. And all the coppers had shown that issue too. I'll keep an eye on this and do a general bug report if this happens again to me in any module.

In the Viggen, just use the stick lateral before you take off.

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