Ever get frustrated with the size of the game?

[Betting]

Please don't see this as a flame against the game at all, that is definitely not my intention at all.

 

I really do love this game, probably more than I loved LB2 so many years ago. But the size of this game is truly daunting for me at times. I find it so much more difficult than LB2.

 

To fly the KA successsfully, there are just so many buttons to memorise, plus only me in the cockpit (Oh ... isn't Russia so lucky to get me!! :helpsmilie:). Making a successful flight plan is my next goal, hopefully I can do that this weekend.

 

At the moment, I play the game for an hour a day at max, then I need to turn it off just to relax my brain for a while.

 

Any other newbies to this game, have the same or similar thoughts as I do?

[leafer]

You mean the complexity of the game? If so then I consider it the beauty of this sim. Size wise, I'm more frustrated with the tiny map and my monitor. And stay away from the ABRIS. :D The only thing I know how to do with it is turning it on, and leavinv it on.

[Inrptrn]

I've memorized most of the basics to be able to take off, fly (it sure isn't pretty), land, operate the weapons, and navigate. Now I have to execute all that well enough to actually complete a mission without doing something stupid and while commanding wingmen.

The shooting range mission is about the extent of my abilities right now.

I'm waiting for the printed manual to arrive before trying to make any more actual progress. Tired of reading about some other mode or switch or whatever that I didn't know about that I should have been using all along.

I will sit down, grab a beer (or four) and commence to RTFM.

[EinsteinEP]

Ditto leafer. The fact that the game required a start-up procedure just to get off the ground was the selling point for me. Lwin+Home? Puh-lease... ;)

 

Anyways, I guess I'm one of those people that actually looks forward to RFTM and figuring out the Why's and How's of a system. The bigger and more complicated the better! There sure seem to be a lot of us folks flying Black Shark.

[Betting]

You mean the complexity of the game? If so then I consider it the beauty of this sim. Size wise, I'm more frustrated with the tiny map and my monitor. And stay away from the ABRIS. :D The only thing I know how to do with it is turning it on, and leavinv it on.

 

Complexity was the word I was looking for, thank you very much! The complexity at the moment is what overwhelms me.

[leafer]

I've put in around 12 hours, died exactly ten times, and on my third "new pilot". Would have died more if I hadn't checked the invulnerable box in log book. This is the best sim I have ever played. I am one happy fanboi. :D

[Betting]

I've put in around 12 hours, died exactly ten times, and on my third "new pilot". Would have died more if I hadn't checked the invulnerable box in log book. This is the best sim I have ever played. I am one happy fanboi. :D

 

 

I'm one up on you then, cos I found that button straight away!! Nothing worse than learning a game and just constantly dying. Actually, just set up a mission with only a wingman against an armoured company advancing on the base. Us against some Mk1 Leopards, M113s and some M113AAA, very exciting not using that invulnerability feature this time. It was a lot of fun, using the wingman for recce.

 

I'd agree with you on saying this is one of the best sims I've ever played too.

[nscode]

To tell you the truth, I'm a bit dissapointed with that broken electrical measuring equipment and few other functions that are not functional. Not that it's not the best sim ever :)

[Betting]

To tell you the truth, I'm a bit dissapointed with that broken electrical measuring equipment and few other functions that are not functional. Not that it's not the best sim ever :)

 

Ummm ... I'll think I'll worry about that when I arrive at that level of play ... if ever :D.

 

I'd really love to be able to see inside one of these helicopters, would be awesome.

[connos]

Please don't see this as a flame against the game at all, that is definitely not my intention at all.

 

I really do love this game, probably more than I loved LB2 so many years ago. But the size of this game is truly daunting for me at times. I find it so much more difficult than LB2.

 

To fly the KA successsfully, there are just so many buttons to memorise, plus only me in the cockpit (Oh ... isn't Russia so lucky to get me!! :helpsmilie:). Making a successful flight plan is my next goal, hopefully I can do that this weekend.

 

At the moment, I play the game for an hour a day at max, then I need to turn it off just to relax my brain for a while.

 

Any other newbies to this game, have the same or similar thoughts as I do?

 

I can understand what you are saying and i advice you to read the Apache the amazing true story book from Ed Macy and you will find out why. What you describe about not to be able to play the game more than an hour it show how realistic the game is. I use to feel the same but after a lot of training it go away and now i can put more hours before i start to feel i have to stop.

 

Do you play with headphones? The pitch sound of the engines direct to your ears may give you the headaches.

[nscode]

It doesn't do anything to your level of play. It's just for manual system checking, and there's nothing usefull from it to a player. Guess that was one of the reasons for it not being modeled.

 

But what bothers me more is that some non-functional switches are clickable, and some are not. That's a big fail on the rule of interface consistency on the dev's part. But that's just me learning for my human-computer interaction exam :)

[AussieFX]

I find the same problem, some functions you click and others you have to go looking for on the keyboard. It doesn't make sense.

There is probably a software limitation as to how many controls can be clicked idk.

All in all though I like it, a sim is a sim, not a game and I'm not a gamer. :thumbup:

[Endoplasmic Reticulum]

I really do love this game, probably more than I loved LB2 so many years ago. But the size of this game is truly daunting for me at times. I find it so much more difficult than LB2.

 

To fly the KA successsfully, there are just so many buttons to memorise, plus only me in the cockpit (Oh ... isn't Russia so lucky to get me!! :helpsmilie:). Making a successful flight plan is my next goal, hopefully I can do that this weekend.

 

At the moment, I play the game for an hour a day at max, then I need to turn it off just to relax my brain for a while.

 

 

Buenos Dias,

 

The complexity of this game -it's not really a game, though- is exactly what makes my heart and those of the other hardcore-simmers beat faster when taking place in front of the Monitor. I love it!

 

The price of being able to control this beast is a sweating a** and many many hours in your new office (cockpit), some ejections and even some deaths (Rust In Peace). After that phase you can go over to shooting some tanks. Then you'll love it as all others in here do.

 

You can compare it to cooking vs. fast food. You spend more time in the kitchen cooking. It takes time to learn, but after that you know what a real meal is and what you have been missing all the time.

 

The only more realistic sim is Falcon 4.0 (Allied Force), because it has dynamic campaign and communication is better and more detailed, just to name two.

 

Have fun and enjoy it. This is an order :police:!! It's worth the time you spend learning to control your chopper. After you did, you'll never want to go back again:pilotfly:.

[Betting]

It's a hard life ER, but I'll get there ... eventually hehe. Don't misunderstand, the game is incredibly enjoyable, just complex for those who don't know a great deal about flying.

[asa1997]

Ditto leafer. The fact that the game required a start-up procedure just to get off the ground was the selling point for me. Lwin+Home? Puh-lease... ;)

 

Anyways, I guess I'm one of those people that actually looks forward to RFTM and figuring out the Why's and How's of a system. The bigger and more complicated the better! There sure seem to be a lot of us folks flying Black Shark.

don't use Lwin home, maybe?

[Panzertard]

You know - complexity has two edges ...

 

One - it'll prevent you from learning it to quickly, hence the introduced the game mode. Altough that may be a bit "too easy" for many who wish to start off learning the sim somewhere "in the middle".

 

Two - It'll let you come back to the sim now, tomorrow, next week, next month - and still learn new stuff about - and by the time you get there, then you will find someone who has created some new great content for it :)

 

I think I love the second edge of the sword :)

[GGTharos]

My guess is you're trying to do too much at one time.

Try taking it one thing at a time - ie. learn to fly/hover, learn your steam gauge instruments, learn the difference between that speed on your HUD and the IAS gauge, learn how to operate your navigation system.

 

Once you do all this, you are in command of the chopper, not the other way around! (In Soviet Russia, chopper commands you. Haha.)

 

Then come the weapons, datalinks, and all that fancy dohickeys.

 

 

It's a hard life ER, but I'll get there ... eventually hehe. Don't misunderstand, the game is incredibly enjoyable, just complex for those who don't know a great deal about flying.

[nscode]

(In Soviet Russia, chopper commands you. Haha.)

 

where's that from? can't remamber :D

[LKNANML]

I remember the first time I turned the game on and looked around the cockpit. I spent about 5 min reading the labels and a laugh escaped my mouth and I said out loud I have no idea what to do next.. After a few producers notes and the training missions I was ready to go into battle.. A short time later my helicopter lay in ruins not far from my airbase. She tore herself apart at to high a speed and to sharp a turn.. I spent about 5 min looking at my wreckage and a laugh escaped my mouth and I said out loud I have no idea what to do next.

I don't think I fired a weapon at an enemy for a week as I learned how to fly this thing.

 

Now almost done with the oil campaign I find myself laughing when a few sams fly by my cockpit, my wingman catches a tank shell and some lady is saying something about an engine being on fire.

It's not until I land and take off my headphones that I realise my back is a bit sore from being so ridged and I am sweating like crazy..

 

This game is a ton of fun but gets "smaller" as you put time in and things like start up become 2nd nature.

[CAT_101st]

once you learn the trim and AP system flying is easy. then learn the limits of the helo and never go past them and you stay alive. I have free track and would have a very hard time flying this beast with out it. The guys that dont have theas things I under stand your problems learning to fly a helo. One needs to have his head on a swivel to watch the HUD, gauges, map, ground and track targets all at the same time. I love it. I think I am around 300 to 500 Hrs in to this sim and still dont know every thing and probly never will.

[th3flyboy]

I get frustrated that It's not a fully detailed area, the whole West side of the map is low detail at best. Ah well, I'll be happy when they make DCS BIGGER!

[C. Patrick]

Everything is hard, before it is easy.

 

Looking back, I feel that I've come a long way in learning the Ka-50 and its systems, that at one time seemed impossible.

 

I'm only frustrated by the multiple mission play throughs that I must endure, trying to find the right combination of tactics, and timing to successfully complete the mission objectives. In one mission, I found that I had wasted a bunch of Vikhrs on a convoy of vehicles that were traveling on a recessed roadway. Even though I had worked hard to place myself (IMO) in a great striking position, the effort was wasted by sending Vikhrs into the road's embankment. So, lesson learned, start over, next mouse trap, repeat mission, etc.

[GGTharos]

Or you could fail the mission instead of repeating it - if you really want to stay 'true to campaign' and 'true to reality', fail the mission.

[C. Patrick]

Or you could fail the mission instead of repeating it - if you really want to stay 'true to campaign' and 'true to reality', fail the mission.

 

Thanks! This is what I've been looking for, but wasn't achieving. I'll make it a point to lug my sorry a** back to base, and see what happens. I'm sure, though, that I've been presented with the same mission on a few occasions.

[GGTharos]

Yes, you could put yourself in a situation where you're

fluttering' between two phases, and in this case each phase (for the oil war campaign) only has one 'failure' mission to fall back on, so you'll play the same failure mission multiple times if you fail the phase ahead many times and win the current one consistently.

 

The campaign system isn't perfect.

 

For the included campaign, it is meant to always move forward or repeat, IIRC.