F-15C versus F-15E

[toni]

So, simple question

given that the Razbam F-15E seems to be frozen, why not take that project and make it alive again ?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Because it’s RAZBAM’s property?

How do you suggest ED to purchase the rights to someone else’s IP during an ongoing legal dispute?

[Ornithopter]

33 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Because it’s RAZBAM’s property?

How do you suggest ED to purchase the rights to someone else’s IP during an ongoing legal dispute?

I've not been following the drama, but with the right monetary offer, why wouldn't it be possible for ED to purchase the rights to the F-15E and continue to develop it, assuming RB would be willing to sell it?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Sure I guess, but not until the legal affairs are over, one way or another.

[falcon_120]

Also it doesn't seem Razbam or its coders would be collaborative on that handover. Taking a project with thousand of lines of code and passing it to a different team and telling them "there you go, now you maintain and develop this code" its easier said than done and could be a nightmare.

That considering ED pays enough for the IP and razbam accepts that offer... i dont see this happening to be honest, who knows



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[rob10]

1 hour ago, falcon_120 said:

Also it doesn't seem Razbam or its coders would be collaborative on that handover. Taking a project with thousand of lines of code and passing it to a different team and telling them "there you go, now you maintain and develop this code" its easier said than done and could be a nightmare.

This.  If they "bought back" the rights to the F-15E I suspect they'd be better off to start from scratch on a new version than try to figure out the old code and carrying on with it. Especially when they would have no one from the old team to help guide them (such as you might if you bought out a competitor in normal circumstances and majority or even some of the critical staff stayed on).

[cfrag]

8 hours ago, Ornithopter said:

with the right monetary offer, why wouldn't it be possible for ED to purchase the rights to the F-15E

With the right offer, sure. It's business, after all. If that offer is financially viable for ED may be a different matter 

8 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

but not until the legal affairs are over,

I believe this to be the salient point - not to mention the fact that if you are in litigation and then make an offer to purchase the object of your litigation, the price that you offered becomes part of the process, and it opens you up to accusations that you started litigation only to drive down the price. So, while an outright purchase is a hypothetical, I don't think it to be that probable - especially after ED announced their own FF "C" version -- and the egos involved on both sides are also not conductive to a quick resolution (the fact that we know about this sordid affair is to the detriment of everyone involved; it should have never left the meeting rooms of ED/RB. It laid bare some childish, amateurish behavior on both sides and did nothing to resolve the conflict).

Edited January 20 by cfrag

[upyr1]

10 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Because it’s RAZBAM’s property?

How do you suggest ED to purchase the rights to someone else’s IP during an ongoing legal dispute?

that could be a possible settlement. ED gives RB some cash and takes over the modules 

[Supernova-III]

Why not start over and make F-15E from scratch instead of F-15C? F-15E is not absolute property of RAZBAM I guess?

[falcon_120]

Why not start over and make F-15E from scratch instead of F-15C? F-15E is not absolute property of RAZBAM I guess?

Well, that of course can be done. But now you're talking about a huge project. It took Razbam 5+years to develop the F15e to the current level, potentially ED could have that reduced a bit but still no less than 2/3 years i'd say (yeah i know they've said F15C and F35 starts this year and will be in 2026, and i dont think that will hold true specially for the F35).
In any case, ED considering to make an F15e from scratch would follow the same process as any other module: 1-financial viability (how well it will sell), 2-documentation available and 3-technical capability. 
Now point 1 is a tricky one, because now ED knows exactly how well it will sell, since they are actually monitoring the sales of Razbam F15e, now a more relevant question would be, will it sell the same the second time? considering all the fans that got very upset for the ED/Razbam situation and more importantly, considering that many users; myself included, already have the F15e and are happy with it. I would not buy the module again except if: A-It comes already with what is missing in the current module (JHMCS,Link16,new weapons...) or B- if i perceive ED is in a bad spot and at the end of the day i want to support them as they are my biggest hobby and source of fun).

[upyr1]

8 hours ago, rob10 said:

This.  If they "bought back" the rights to the F-15E I suspect they'd be better off to start from scratch on a new version than try to figure out the old code and carrying on with it. Especially when they would have no one from the old team to help guide them (such as you might if you bought out a competitor in normal circumstances and majority or even some of the critical staff stayed on).

All I know is I want a solution soon 

[Thamiel]

What you cant have should be put out of your head.