Abandoned?

[Alpiinoo]

Hello, I am currently stuck between Spitfire and Mosquito for sale. I like Mosquito, but I'm worried little bit about wihout AI Navigator. Moreover, the lack of any news about AI makes me worried about buying the plane. I think I'll just buy the spitfire now and wait for AI to arrive for the mosqutio.

Edited 9 hours ago by Alpiinoo

[razo+r]

15 minutes ago, Alpiinoo said:

Hello, I am currently stuck between Spitfire and Mosquito for sale. I like Mosquito, but I'm worried little bit about wihout AI Navigator. Moreover, the lack of any news about AI makes me worried about buying the plane. I think I'll just buy the spitfire now and wait for AI to arrive for the mosqutio.

You can fly it perfectly fine without AI, but if you are not convinced, just trial it for the 2 weeks and decide after that.

[Kang]

1 hour ago, Alpiinoo said:

Hello, I am currently stuck between Spitfire and Mosquito for sale. I like Mosquito, but I'm worried little bit about wihout AI Navigator. Moreover, the lack of any news about AI makes me worried about buying the plane. I think I'll just buy the spitfire now and wait for AI to arrive for the mosqutio.

I happen to have both of them and my personal verdict is that I enjoyed the Mosquito more, but that may be in part because I am generally a ground attack enjoyer and find that dogfighting in the Spitfire often trips over some DCS core problems.

1 hour ago, razo+r said:

You can fly it perfectly fine without AI, but if you are not convinced, just trial it for the 2 weeks and decide after that.

Seriously, this.

 

Quite frankly, I think the Mosquito wouldn't even need a George-style fancy AI. Something akin to what ol' Belsimtek did for the Huey would probably suffice. The option to have a 'pilot' keep it somewhat straight and level or maybe circle or at least hold attitude properly, while I work with the radios in the back. Skill issue? Maybe. But I find it awfully hard to do the entirety of the flying while also looking the exact other way and fiddling with the dials. It isn't even that doing a lot with the long range radio was always necessary, it just feels to me that they put a lot of work into modeling all that and then made it borderline impossible to use any of it.

[Art-J]

Just a reminder - an auto-level mod for Mossie and other warbirds was posted here a few months ago. Granted, it was most likely not IC-compliant and I don't know if it worked OK in campaigns either, but for single player crowd it was better than nothing.

[Ornithopter]

 

4 hours ago, Kang said:

Quite frankly, I think the Mosquito wouldn't even need a George-style fancy AI. Something akin to what ol' Belsimtek did for the Huey would probably suffice. The option to have a 'pilot' keep it somewhat straight and level or maybe circle or at least hold attitude properly, while I work with the radios in the back. Skill issue? Maybe. But I find it awfully hard to do the entirety of the flying while also looking the exact other way and fiddling with the dials. It isn't even that doing a lot with the long range radio was always necessary, it just feels to me that they put a lot of work into modeling all that and then made it borderline impossible to use any of it.

 

3 hours ago, Art-J said:

Just a reminder - an auto-level mod for Mossie and other warbirds was posted here a few months ago. Granted, it was most likely not IC-compliant and I don't know if it worked OK in campaigns either, but for single player crowd it was better than nothing.

Honestly, I'm not all that interested in WWII aircraft as much as some, so the fate of the Mosquito isn't something that I think about very often aside from when it comes up in threads like these.  If I want to go for a flight in a piston warbird, I normally do it in the Bf-109.

But the reatlity is if I'm flying an aircraft with multiple crew, I want to be but one of them, most likely aircraft commander, and I don't want to have to do a lot of seat switching in any DCS aircraft.  The UH-1 is designed so that either crewmember can work the radios, so in that case a simple level autopilot is ok.  Plus, the guy in the left seat can operate the swiveling forward-facing miniguns on his own, if I'm not in that seat.  That's a big deal.  The George and Petrovich AI that exist on Apache and Hind can also work the weapons while I fly and I don't need them to tune radios or navigate anyway.  It's my understanding that the third party Kiowa and Gazelle, while excellent technical renditions, require a lot of seat switching, and that's a major reason I decided to pass on them.  Multicrew AI that can actually do something other than temporarily fly straight and level is something I've come to expect from DCS aircraft these last few years, and to do otherwise, annoys me.  

Again, I'm not going to revolt against ED because of the Mosquito, but imho, I think this aircraft needs a lot more than "auto-level".  It's a pleasure (and easy) to fly, but as of now, it's a hangar queen that occasionally gets to fly a pattern around the airfield.  I guess I could just use the NS-430 popup like I typically do in the Mi-8, or be lazy and just use the F-10 map, but whatever...It's an awesome simulation of the aircraft thus far, so yeah, finish the darned thing off!

 

[MAXsenna]

19 minutes ago, Ornithopter said:

It's my understanding that the third party Kiowa

My computer died before I got really into it, but the Kiowa has excellent "AI helper", and it's not that hard to be a single crew, 

 

19 minutes ago, Ornithopter said:

and Gazelle

No seat switching at all! It's super easy to be single crew. I can easily fly and plink tanks at the same time. It's somewhat harder at night, I'll admit that.

If you have an extra screen and an extra joystick, one can do multicrew on one computer. Export the Viviane and have a friend plink the tanks with the second joystick. My GF finds it really satisfying.  

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[Ornithopter]

Okay, in fairness, because I don't have the Kiowa and Gazelle, my perceptions of the workload were gleaned from a small number of reviews and some videos.  Years ago, I demoed the Gazelle, before certain FM improvements were made, and I decided it was a firm no.  If the Kiowa and Gazelle are more single-player friendly than I think, then perhaps I've used a bad example, especially since I don't own them.  The currently unknown fate of Polychop though, doesn't help me change my mind.

That about a third party aside, I really do mean what I say about Multicrew aircraft having good AI helpers for use in single-player, and the Mosquito, which I do have, is a prime example--I really just don't want to be fiddling around with 1940's radios anyway, not to mention the idea that I feel like I'm playing with a handicap having to do the work of more than one person.  

I didn't know that you could do local multi-player on a single computer.  Interesting.  I used to do some amount of Multiplayer gaming back in the day, but currently, I'm not sure I want to be a part of a "squad" and have to deal with all the people and their opinions, memes, wacky conspiracy theories about everything one could imagine, and interminably boring "milsim" type briefings, etc.  Maybe someday I'll do it again, but until then, Single player functionality and immersion has taken on a greater importance than it used to.