What can't we release Cold War Germany Phase 2 without?

[joham]

IIRC Stuttgart will be part of phase 2, therefore I suggest adding the "Stuttgarter Fernsehturm" broadcast tower, which is an iconic landmark that can be seen from the airport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernsehturm_Stuttgart
There were also several US military installations in Stuttgart during the cold war, with military training grounds close to the town of Böblingen (Camp Panzer Kaserne). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart (see chapter "US military in Stuttgart")

 

[Gunpod]

I would really like to see Flyvestation Værløse (EKVL) included (near copenhagen).

It is the only Danish airbase within the detailed boundaries of the map, the lack of which would break immersion.

This addition would make Danish DCS players very happy.

Edited Friday at 05:51 PM by Gunpod

[swartbyron]

On 6/10/2025 at 5:04 AM, Smith said:

For me, this is the most important thing you need to fix.

Otherwise, thanks for this great map.

100% agree!

Revised airbase textures and ground clutter are whats most important for me.

If I had one more wish, no more air racing fields and cones for phase 2 and 3 please.

Ideally it would be best to have them hidden before 1991 in the same way the night lighting works on the Normandy map.

[Patgun]

That particular style of air racing was developed not before 2003 => Wikipedia. So, it doesn't fit at all to a Cold War scenario.

And furthermore, air racing at all was never, and still isn't, popular in Germany. So, removing all of those racing circuits before 2003 should be the correct setting. And after 2003, it shouldn't pop up in such many places. Actually just one, because it is completely related to Red Bull Air Racing. 

Another point, that does not fit to Germany, are the motorways which are lighted at night. There was only one country in western europe were this would be realistic for all motoways. And that is Belgium. In Germany, as far as I can remember, it was applied just around Cologne until the early 2000's. 

Also, there are many roads visible that were build after 1990, in particular in the former GDR , but also in the western part. That is bit of an immersion break for me personally. However, thats just incorrect for those who know about it. And, I guess, its hard to avoid, when using available digital geographical data. It would be great if that could be corrected, but I fully understand that this wish is actually unrealistic.

[Rueganer2002]

The radar stations of the NVA in the GDR with coordinates and equipment

 

FuTK-231 Pragsdorf                      53.548781, 13.417390       P-18 / 2x P-37 / 2x PRW-17 / PRW-11
FuTK-232 Rohlsdorf                      53.224068, 12.322375      P-14 / P-15 / P-18 / PRW-17
FuTK-233 Elmenhorst                   54.000824, 11.110278        P-14 / P-15A / ST-68U / PRW-11 / PRW-17

FuTK-311 Döbern                          51.611908, 14.574846         P-18 / 2x PRW-11 / 2x P-37 / PRW-17
FuTK-312 Altenburg                      50.933772, 12.396322      P-15A / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-17 / Oborona (5N84A)
FuTK-313 Neustadt                       50.461361, 12.325844       P-15A / P-37 / P-18 / PRW-11 / PRW-16
FuTK-314 Meißen                          51.112136, 13.498250         P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / PRW-11 / PRW-17

FuTK-331 Pudagla                        53.955419, 14.047722        P-15A / 4x PRW-13 / P-37 / Komplex K-66 (Kabina)
FuTK-332 Saal                              54.319947, 12.486608        P-18 / ST-68U / PRW-13 
FuTK-333 Putgarten                     54.676417, 13.385056         P-18 / ST-68U / Oborona (5N84A) / PRW-13 / PRW-16 / PRW-17

FuTK-411 Holzdorf                         51.810114, 13.190711         P-18 / 2x P-37 / 3x PRW-13
FuTK-412 Hinsdorf                        51.702556, 12.135444      P-15A / P-37 / PRW-11 / PRW-13
FuTK-413 Taubendorf                   51.889072, 14.605194      P-18 / 2x P-37 / 3x PRW-13

FuTK-431 Parchim-Dargelütz        53.503711, 11.850822       P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-11 / PRW-17
FuTK-432 Groß Molzahn               53.740614, 10.848256      P-15A / P-18 / PRW-16
FuTK-433 Banzin                           53.411033, 10.930656      P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-11
FuTK-434 Karenz                           53.225300, 11.348519      P-15A / P-18 / ST-68U / PRW-16

FuTK-511 Sprötau                           51.098428, 11.187031        P-15A / P-18 / Komplex K-66 (Kabina) / 2x PRW-13
FuTK-512 Steinheid                        50.457611, 11.093558       P-15A / P-18 / PRW-16
FuTK-513 Breitungen                     50.744786, 10.244250      P-15A / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-13
FuTK-514 Kreuzebra                      51.334022, 10.256158      P-14F / P-15 / PRW-9 / PRW-17
FuTK-515 Lehesten                        50.447586, 11.452933      P-15A / P-18 / ST-68U / PRW-16

FuTK-611 Müncheberg                   52.513194, 14.165936         P-18 / 2x P-37 / 3x PRW-13
FuTK-612 Wusterwitz                     52.364053, 12.409625      P-14 / P-15A / PRW-9 / 3x PRW-13 / Komplex K-66 (Kabina)
FuTK-613 Athenstedt                      51.931944, 10.901017         P-15A / ST-68U / PRW-13 / PRW-16 
FuTK-614 Altensalzwedel               52.774781, 11.155789         P-15A / ST-68U / PRW-13 / PRW-16

FuTA-4101 Ladeburg                       52.717647, 13.600153       P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / 2x PRW-13
FuTA-4301 Rövershagen                 54.165989, 12.214900      P-18 / ST-68U / Komplex K-66 (Kabina) / 3x PRW-13

FuTK-28 Laage-Kronskamp            53.896069, 12.354536      P-18 / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-13 / PRW-16
FuTK-37    Striesow                          51.827694, 14.249811        P-18 / P-37 / PRW-13 / PRW-16
 

[Northstar98]

On 6/13/2025 at 8:37 PM, Patgun said:

That particular style of air racing was developed not before 2003 => Wikipedia. So, it doesn't fit at all to a Cold War scenario.

And furthermore, air racing at all was never, and still isn't, popular in Germany. So, removing all of those racing circuits before 2003 should be the correct setting. And after 2003, it shouldn't pop up in such many places. Actually just one, because it is completely related to Red Bull Air Racing.

Have to agree - I'd much rather Ugra add the racing pylons to the static objects (though there is one already) and let mission editors decide whether to have them or not. I'd say the same for balloons.

 

10 hours ago, Rueganer2002 said:

The radar stations of the NVA in the GDR with coordinates and equipment

 

FuTK-231 Pragsdorf                      53.548781, 13.417390       P-18 / 2x P-37 / 2x PRW-17 / PRW-11
FuTK-232 Rohlsdorf                      53.224068, 12.322375      P-14 / P-15 / P-18 / PRW-17
FuTK-233 Elmenhorst                   54.000824, 11.110278        P-14 / P-15A / ST-68U / PRW-11 / PRW-17

FuTK-311 Döbern                          51.611908, 14.574846         P-18 / 2x PRW-11 / 2x P-37 / PRW-17
FuTK-312 Altenburg                      50.933772, 12.396322      P-15A / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-17 / Oborona (5N84A)
FuTK-313 Neustadt                       50.461361, 12.325844       P-15A / P-37 / P-18 / PRW-11 / PRW-16
FuTK-314 Meißen                          51.112136, 13.498250         P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / PRW-11 / PRW-17

FuTK-331 Pudagla                        53.955419, 14.047722        P-15A / 4x PRW-13 / P-37 / Komplex K-66 (Kabina)
FuTK-332 Saal                              54.319947, 12.486608        P-18 / ST-68U / PRW-13 
FuTK-333 Putgarten                     54.676417, 13.385056         P-18 / ST-68U / Oborona (5N84A) / PRW-13 / PRW-16 / PRW-17

FuTK-411 Holzdorf                         51.810114, 13.190711         P-18 / 2x P-37 / 3x PRW-13
FuTK-412 Hinsdorf                        51.702556, 12.135444      P-15A / P-37 / PRW-11 / PRW-13
FuTK-413 Taubendorf                   51.889072, 14.605194      P-18 / 2x P-37 / 3x PRW-13

FuTK-431 Parchim-Dargelütz        53.503711, 11.850822       P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-11 / PRW-17
FuTK-432 Groß Molzahn               53.740614, 10.848256      P-15A / P-18 / PRW-16
FuTK-433 Banzin                           53.411033, 10.930656      P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-11
FuTK-434 Karenz                           53.225300, 11.348519      P-15A / P-18 / ST-68U / PRW-16

FuTK-511 Sprötau                           51.098428, 11.187031        P-15A / P-18 / Komplex K-66 (Kabina) / 2x PRW-13
FuTK-512 Steinheid                        50.457611, 11.093558       P-15A / P-18 / PRW-16
FuTK-513 Breitungen                     50.744786, 10.244250      P-15A / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-13
FuTK-514 Kreuzebra                      51.334022, 10.256158      P-14F / P-15 / PRW-9 / PRW-17
FuTK-515 Lehesten                        50.447586, 11.452933      P-15A / P-18 / ST-68U / PRW-16

FuTK-611 Müncheberg                   52.513194, 14.165936         P-18 / 2x P-37 / 3x PRW-13
FuTK-612 Wusterwitz                     52.364053, 12.409625      P-14 / P-15A / PRW-9 / 3x PRW-13 / Komplex K-66 (Kabina)
FuTK-613 Athenstedt                      51.931944, 10.901017         P-15A / ST-68U / PRW-13 / PRW-16 
FuTK-614 Altensalzwedel               52.774781, 11.155789         P-15A / ST-68U / PRW-13 / PRW-16

FuTA-4101 Ladeburg                       52.717647, 13.600153       P-15A / P-18 / P-37 / 2x PRW-13
FuTA-4301 Rövershagen                 54.165989, 12.214900      P-18 / ST-68U / Komplex K-66 (Kabina) / 3x PRW-13

FuTK-28 Laage-Kronskamp            53.896069, 12.354536      P-18 / P-37 / PRW-9 / PRW-13 / PRW-16
FuTK-37    Striesow                          51.827694, 14.249811        P-18 / P-37 / PRW-13 / PRW-16

The sort of thing I love. I know the Saal site is currently missing, as is the S-125 site adjacent to it. There is a completely fictional tank range nearby though... Though we really need ED to implement that P-37 and PRV-11 that have both been in the files for over 12 years now and to implement the trailer mounted ST-68U as an EWR.

But these sites should be in a more-or-less empty state, so we can place functional radars on them (these sites IRL were quite empty, with radars just sat on small artificial hills and concrete pads).

From what I've seen so far, many EWR sites currently implemented in Germany feature tall towers with a small radome on top, I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to be, but it doesn't look anything like the EWRs present in either the Cold War nor modern day (the linked post also shows that this EWR station is in the wrong place).

The other, more pressing thing though is by making towers with radomes, Ugra is excluding the possibility to put functional radars there. Ideally they'd include a structure with a flat top and then a radome static object. Allowing them to be used as functional units, while looking the part.

[Raisuli]

Blue water container ships on the Rhine...if my CVN isn't going to squeeze under those bridges at high water they can't go there either!  

Kidding aside, I have to agree with focusing on airfields.  I don't know enough to know what I don't know or even be particularly confident about things I do so I'll leave most of that to the people who are much smarter than me.

What I do is restrict operations to the south even if I'm drawn to water because the airfields seem to be missing.  Plenty of civil airfields I use in a pinch, though, and East Germany has been kind enough to let me fly NATO planes from their bases now and then.  Very reasonable of them.