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Hi folks,

since about 8 years I am running Linux as my main OS. Over the time I tried several distros. Here I can state that Linux made an impressive development over time! Parallel there is Windows in multiboot only for use of Windows-exclusive games like DCS in combination with VR. For every other game I am running Linux. No probs here with it!

 

After all I would recommend anyone to try Linux. Its easier to use as many would guess.

 

Greetings,

Flummi

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8 minutes ago, Flummi said:

Hi folks,

since about 8 years I am running Linux as my main OS. Over the time I tried several distros. Here I can state that Linux made an impressive development over time! Parallel there is Windows in multiboot only for use of Windows-exclusive games like DCS in combination with VR. For every other game I am running Linux. No probs here with it!

 

After all I would recommend anyone to try Linux. Its easier to use as many would guess.

 

Greetings,

Flummi

Shh, shh….. don‘t say that too loud! Some are easily spooked when the status quo is questioned…..😉😂

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On 10/18/2025 at 4:21 PM, LucShep said:

 and now the "AI companion" thing that -is speculated- may become mandatory to the OS (non-disableable).

Unless you're on the home edition, there's no such thing as "non-disableable". Including the telemetry that's not obvious how to disable. You need to delve quite deeply into features intended mostly for corporate users, but it's there (in case of telemetry, you can redirect it into the void). Even the TPM requirement for Windows 11 can be killed by a switch in the registry. Sure, not a convenient button in the settings, but it's there.

Or, you could go with Linux, where every customization is about this inconvenient.

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46 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

You need to delve quite deeply into features intended mostly for corporate users

Yup: Group Policy Editor has become my home away from home 🤣

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I installed Linux (Pop OS) on my PC last week. On a seperate SSD with W10 in dualboot. I tried Linux in the past, but felt, most of my programms did not work on Linux.

This time I was surprised, that things work much better. It was a breeze to import my email-settings and even my niche-flightlog-programme has a Linux-version. Since I can access all my 'old' files, there is lacking little for me right now.

In Steam I tested only one game up to now, but that did work perfectly.

Installing Battle.net was more complicated and getting Diablo2 running even more. But now its running ok. Took quite a bit of reading and researching.

Anyway, from what Im usually doing on my PC under Win10, except for DCS, right now there seem to be no compromises.

Regarding DCS Im hesitant to do the switch or even give it a try. I read already quite a bit and Id be willing to give up VR, but since since TrackIR is not supported, it does not make sense right now. Also I dont have the skills to troubleshoot after every update. More learning is definitly needed in that regard.

I hope once Vulkan finally arrives at DCS, the transition will be easier.

My experience right now is too brief to make a conclusion, but as for my everyday use, except DCS, right now I see no reason to use Win10 for that.

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On 10/14/2025 at 6:32 PM, SharpeXB said:

Unless the cost of porting to Linux was zero it would never be worthwhile for any dev to spent money to get an extra 2-3% of the market. Simple math. Gamers won’t use Linux because there aren’t enough games and devs won’t use Linux because there aren’t enough customers. 🐔🐣🐔🐣🐔🐣🐔🐣

You are clearly not a gamer on linux so why even say this?

If you were a user of linux, you would clearly know that your statement is completely false. My guess is you are a windows user and are perpetuating the mis-information you heard about linux and are treating these myths as fact. When in fact, you can game on Linux with very little headache involved. I doubt you even have a machine or drive that can run linux.

I've used windows since the MSDOS days and 10 is my last. I hold IT certs on the widows platform and can very comfortably move around inside it, fix it and do things. I decided to leave windows last Nov so i have nearly a year of part time linux use. During that time i've used linux more and more to the point that i have now spent pretty much all time since the demise of 10, inside of linux.

I was in windows for 3 min yesterday to finally transfer over my discord so i can ask questions inside the discord server for my distro, instead of switching OS's. I use Nobara. Which is Fedora based.

The facts are these:

Gaming on Linux is very much alive. We are playing games that are not native to linux to be exact. And then there are the native linux games that also just work.

I played %98 of my steam games just using steam and their proton campat layer. So these are not 4 bit, 16 color, CGA indie games. I played hogwarts legacy today with every single option turned up, including FSR 3. I have an AMD card. 9060XT 16GB. I am on 1080p, as are most gamers, still, and i was @ 60 FPS (monitor limit) @ 32 celcius @ 500 RPM fan.

Others with more technical, knowledge than this one year linux user, can get DCS to work in Linux and even use VR with gloves attached. They use Arch. Yeah, cool eh? And with nearly %100 certainty better FPS than in windows.

Linux uptake is easily %5 now and will climb this year as more and more people switch. This %5 is mostly likely the actual threshold at which point studios start paying attention to the OS. I did not say make games native in linux. I said pay attention to the OS.

Our numbers are growing. More and more people are sick and tired of the actual bull ox manure that microsoft dished out. Their spying which they call "telemetry", the disrespect of the user and their chosen settings which are not reverted back to what they user set, the ads, the ads, the ads, yes, three times cos they show ads, again and again.

In windows 10 the BS even starts before you are even in the OS as you are asked no less than 15 questions on if you want to be spied upon or not. They even go as far as asking if you want to be identified and given a "personal" ID for the sake of the advertisers so they can serve you up "personalized" ads. WTF?

All this crap before you even used windows as this is before the install even.

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Wali763 said:

I installed Linux (Pop OS) on my PC last week. On a seperate SSD with W10 in dualboot. I tried Linux in the past, but felt, most of my programms did not work on Linux.

This time I was surprised, that things work much better. It was a breeze to import my email-settings and even my niche-flightlog-programme has a Linux-version. Since I can access all my 'old' files, there is lacking little for me right now.

In Steam I tested only one game up to now, but that did work perfectly.

Installing Battle.net was more complicated and getting Diablo2 running even more. But now its running ok. Took quite a bit of reading and researching.

Anyway, from what Im usually doing on my PC under Win10, except for DCS, right now there seem to be no compromises.

Regarding DCS Im hesitant to do the switch or even give it a try. I read already quite a bit and Id be willing to give up VR, but since since TrackIR is not supported, it does not make sense right now. Also I dont have the skills to troubleshoot after every update. More learning is definitly needed in that regard.

I hope once Vulkan finally arrives at DCS, the transition will be easier.

My experience right now is too brief to make a conclusion, but as for my everyday use, except DCS, right now I see no reason to use Win10 for that.

That battllenet hanging @%50 was not your fault. I assume it was hanging at %50 as that is where it hangs with the bug, unless you do the work around. GE, aka gloriouseggroll has a fix on his channel posted. His youtube channel that is. GE works on proton and has his own versions. Might work for you...might not. Dunno. Worth a try.

Dont know if i can post links here so will only add the last bit of the youtube address that you can paste /watch?v=PRY56C9Jce0

TrackIR has a linux alternative. Opentrack. So even camera's work now. So now we have the basis of what makes DCS, DCS. The game, the joystick and the head tracking camera's with working software......

I am in the process of getting a bigger M2 SSD so i can actually start messing around with getting DCS to work. I dont have the space on current linux drive so cant even start to experiment. Once i get the bigger drive in a week or so, then windows is history for me for good. I am wiping the drive and that will go to another M2 slot to test CachyOS or Arch as people got DCS to run on those distros with VR headtracking and some peripherals like the glove for VR.

To use Linux or not is a personal choice for all of us. Continue to use windows if you so choose but then please also be quiet and stop moaning about what they do to you. This last sentence is not addressed to you - the person i replied to as you seem to have tried linux and it was a positive XP -  but to all those still on windows 🙂

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2 hours ago, Envee said:

Gaming on Linux is very much alive.

It’s actually not 🤷‍♂️ it’s 2.68%

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2 hours ago, Envee said:

I played %98 of my steam games just using steam and their proton campat layer.

How many consumers do you figure even know what Linux or Proton even are? 

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@SharpeXB As always with your long standing "modus operandi", you keep derailing threads.

To keep talking in circles, with back-and-forth arguments, just to guide the conversation off-topic, in whatever unrelated direction that entertains you, is not being part of a discussion. And that ruins meaningful debates. 

I've been guilty myself of taking your bait and fueling you - my bad - sorry to everybody else who was looking into this.

You've dismissed the topic outright, without even having the most basic understanding of Linux, how it runs games.
It's been made clear that this subject doesn't interest you, nor does it concern you.
You're clearly antagonizing for whatever sadistical reason.
In other words:  it's "trolling".

So there is no point for you in being here.
Go away. Go derail some other thread, please.
 

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None of that changes the fact that Linux is not going to be a mainstream consumer OS in the near future. Why's that? Microsoft has a tight grip on OEMs. That means everyone who doesn't buy a Mac will, by default, use Windows, unless some sort of Linux lobby comes around to pull OEMs off it.

4 hours ago, Envee said:

I hold IT certs on the widows platform and can very comfortably move around inside it, fix it and do things.

In that case, you probably encountered a much bemoaned, but somehow indispensable species called the Non-Technical End User, or luser for short. Among their exploits are things such as power cycling the monitor when asked to reboot, immediately closing popups with vital information, or accidently deleting important documents. When undisturbed, they're generally capable of accomplishing simple tasks in Office, using the web browser or playing modern games. I'd like to know how you envision this species making a move to Linux at scale.

Like I said in the other thread, MS had been doing that since MS DOS. Linux might be gaining in the server market because servers are, generally, not bought off the shelf and set up with whatever OS came in the box. They're also set up by people whose IT skills extend beyond installing Chrome. Consumer hardware is, for most part, used with whatever OS had been shipped with it. Now, much of the community here runs custom gaming boxes festooned with exotic peripherals and optimized up the wazoo, but that's not exactly the norm.

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As I wrote in another thread. One way to give MS the finger as much as possible, is to use a Linux-VM in windows and tunnel out with a VPN. The beauty of Linux is that it is lightweight and runs perfectly inside VMs.

You can do almost everything in there and just use Windows for those performance hogs (mostly games, CAD and maybe video editing) that aren’t quite there yet.

 

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56 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Among their exploits are things such as power cycling the monitor when asked to reboot,

Thanks for the laugh. That is one that I haven't come across (yet). But boy could I add to that list of exploits from what I've seen. 😁

Interesting you brought up MS-DOS because microsoft became popular - even though it wasn’t exactly user-friendly. Back in the Radio Shack era, home PCs were mostly bought by enthusiasts or people with tech-savvy friends to help them set up and maintain them. Even now, many home users rely on tech-savvy friends. Windows still isn’t trouble-free, and some automatic updates still can cause serious issues. I think there's a link here that MS needs to be careful not to dismiss. 

Linux today is far more user-friendly than MS-DOS was. For non-enthusiasts, there’s a growing market of alternatives that work well. Microsoft still needs tech enthusiasts, because it's past record of playing “catch up” in other markets hasn't aged well (Zune, or Windows Phone anyone?). Yet if more of those move to Linux because they've had enough with Windows - it's possible they will take with them a % of the market share along the way.   (I wonder what Microsoft’s 10-year goal is — to remove what made Windows a “personal computer OS” and create something closer to a child of ChromeOS + macOS)?

I’m excited by Linux gaming and expect that market to grow while Microsoft’s shrinks. To what extent is yet to be seen, but with Steam onboard - I am optimistic. 

I recall that some of Apple’s market share spikes came after Microsoft’s poor OS releases. It's not too difficult to see Linux could well see ongoing similar gains if Microsoft keeps it's nonsense up.

But I also wonder if this is being done to see how far they can push their customers. Synology did it recently with their marketing HDD's - and had to backpedal. I wonder how much that 'test' has cost them. If users push back hard or leave  - Microsoft may get the message. Or they may just be arrogant. If the latter, it's great to know there are alternatives, and well worth probably exploring now too. 

 

28 minutes ago, Hiob said:

One way to give MS the finger as much as possible, is to use a Linux-VM in windows and tunnel out with a VPN. The beauty of Linux is that it is lightweight and runs perfectly inside VMs.

This is a fantastic way to start exploring Linux without fully committing. Probably not ideal for gaming, but definitely for everything else. 

One of the big hurdles I see though with Linux is people deciding which Distro to use. So many people seem to be using so many distro's - I think that actually holds Linux back at times. I mean - which Distro is the best for people to migrate from Windows to? Is there one that stands out as being obvious, or is it very much a free-for-all? 

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5 hours ago, Dangerzone said:

This is a fantastic way to start exploring Linux without fully committing. Probably not ideal for gaming, but definitely for everything else. 

One of the big hurdles I see though with Linux is people deciding which Distro to use. So many people seem to be using so many distro's - I think that actually holds Linux back at times. I mean - which Distro is the best for people to migrate from Windows to? Is there one that stands out as being obvious, or is it very much a free-for-all? 

Yes, gaming in VM only works for VERY lightweight games. However, gaming is not my main concern when it comes to windows. Other than my gamer tag and how much I suck at various games there isn’t much to learn….😅 But for now, I can at least exclude MS and their associated data brokers from sniffing through my office and (really) personal data. I would still love to ditch MS completely though.

I like Mint, it is as close to Windows as it gets (when it was still good XP, 7, 10 (apart from the telemetry BS)). Every Windows peasant will immediately find his way around once he learned what the applications are - if even different from W.
But the beauty of Linux is, that the flavour is merely an interface. Beneath it is all same and you can stitch it together as you like (but you don’t need to).

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