HMD Visor tint removal option

[Bones1775]

can we get a hornet special options check box to remove or apply the tinted HMD visor?

[PD919]

I hate the new visor in vr.  It looks awkward.

[Gryzor]

+1 I think the same.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

17 hours ago, PD919 said:

It looks awkward

In what way? I'm genuinely interested.
Which headset do you have, and what's your in-game gamma setting?

[PD919]

There is a visibile notch in between the eyes.  It doesn't translate well in VR.  The tint it fine.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

5 minutes ago, PD919 said:

There is a visibile notch in between the eyes

On which headset? I don’t see anything wrong

[PD919]

BSB2 and Quest Pro.  It's the noseguard that's visible between the eyes.

[fagulha]

3 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

On which headset? I don’t see anything wrong

If you have no issues i don´t understand why you keep on commenting on people posts that have this issue with the new visor. 

Edited October 24 by fagulha
Refined & typo.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

6 hours ago, fagulha said:

If you have no issues i don´t understand why you keep on commenting on people posts that have this issue with the new visor. 

Because, as I said earlier, I’m genuinely interested in learning why our experiences are different. Is it a particular headset? Is it a particular setting? One of the main reasons I use this forum in general, is to learn things I didn’t know

Is that really so odd?

[Pribs86]

Hi, I would like to request a clear visor option/addition for night flying for use with the JHMCS/HMD to allow in more ambient light in to be able to see more. Unless this isn't realistic and what they do IRL. Seems to me they would have a clear option that works with the HMD. IF it is not IRL realistic or if it has to be installed on the ground then scratch it. I'll be honest I didn't do much research on this before posting.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

This here is apparently a RL HGU55P helmet with Scorpion and clear visor, so they do exist IRL:

[Pribs86]

14 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

This here is apparently a RL HGU55P helmet with Scorpion and clear visor, so they do exist IRL:

BINGO! Thank you!

[rob10]

This is F-16 but likely relevant to the F-18 too.  Generally it appears that helmet is much new than the F-18 modelled in DCS.

 

[Phantom711]

Ferraris exist and yet I don‘t have one.

What I‘m trying to say is, that just because something is being offered by the manufacturer, doesn‘t mean it‘s being fielded by the military or at least not for everyone.

The picture apparently shows a helicopter pilot. I don‘t know the particular system, but possibly the night vision on that one is being portrayed on that monocle, so a clear visor for night ops makes sense. If the general understanding in the F-16 and F/A-18 is, that JHMCS is only for daylight ops and NVGs for nighttime, then there is no need for a clear JHMCS visor.

I might still be wrong though. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:27 AM by Phantom711

[Pribs86]

6 hours ago, Phantom711 said:

Ferraris exist and yet I don‘t have one.

What I‘m trying to say is, that just because something is being offered by the manufacturer, doesn‘t mean it‘s being fielded by the military or at least not for everyone.

The picture apparently shows a helicopter pilot. I don‘t know the particular system, but possibly the night vision on that one is being portrayed on that monocle, so a clear visor for night ops makes sense. If the general understanding in the F-16 and F/A-18 is, that JHMCS is only for daylight ops and NVGs for nighttime, then there is no need for a clear JHMCS visor.

I might still be wrong though. 

Ok, that's what I was curious about. Thank you for the clarification. I've never seen a clear lens but just because I don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. If the tinted one is all they use IRL then I'd prefer they keep it true to life. Never know if I don't ask I guess. Appreciate you, thanks!

[PD919]

I don't think it works well for VR.

[d0ppler]

At least for the Viper, you can toggle it on/off. I bet you can for the hornet as well

[Lange_666]

6 hours ago, d0ppler said:

At least for the Viper, you can toggle it on/off. I bet you can for the hornet as well

You can't turn it off, not for the F-16 either. You can only move it up down.
In 2D you get a clear view with either the visor up or down, makes it look like you can turn it on/off.
In VR it's different. Topic poster is talking about the VR implementation where, unlike in 2D, you can see the edges of the visor, the nose gap and the fixation on top of the helmet.
Depending on how the different headsets visualize this, it can be distracting.
 

[niru27]

I too find it horrible in VR: the nose gap is so annoying and you now lose a big chunk of pixels at the top of your FOV

ED: please give us a Special Option to turn it off altogether. If somebody likes it the way it is, let them use it, but please don't force this on others

[hawks1234]

agreed. would be nice to have an option. nose gap is indeed distracting in VR. 

[miguelaco]

I don't think ED is going to get rid of the visor completely since it's not only aesthetics. I mean, you can only use the HMD when visor is down, so they may change the way it's rendered though, personally, I don't hink they're going to change this in the near future.

I'm using a Pimax Crystal OG and got used to it in a few missions as my attention focused on operating the sensors and systems of the aircraft. My advice is to give it a chance for a little longer.

Edited Friday at 09:52 AM by miguelaco

[Lange_666]

1 hour ago, niru27 said:

and you now lose a big chunk of pixels at the top of your FOV

It's a lot closer to reality now in VR instead of the 2D version where it's more on/off.
A lot of people want their sim to be as close to reality as it can get until they are annoyed by something and then all of a sudden it's not so needed any more. 

 

1 hour ago, miguelaco said:

I don't think ED is going to get rid of the visor completely since it's not only aesthetics. I mean, you can only use the HMD when visor is down, so they may change the way it's rendered though, personally, I don't hink they're going to change this in the near future.

This ^^^^

Edited Friday at 11:02 AM by Lange_666

[fagulha]

7 minutes ago, Lange_666 said:

It's a lot closer to reality now in VR instead of the 2D version where it's more on/off.
A lot of people want their sim to be as close to reality as it can get until they are annoyed by something and then all of a sudden it's not so needed any more. 

 

This ^^^^

In VR in some headsets it´s unconfortable and not realistic, the nose gap border make your eyes focused on it. And it also affects performance in VR in about -2 ms of Frame Time.

Might be more realistic but sometimes "realism" won´t carry over to the sim the way it should.

We just want a option to turn it off, like the option to disable mirrors or disable the pilot body in 3D. I was waiting years for this but the current implementation doesn´t work well for some VR users, me included.

It´s not a question of "not so needed anymore" it´s a matter of eyes health and confort.

[d0ppler]

4 hours ago, Lange_666 said:

You can't turn it off, not for the F-16 either. You can only move it up down.
In 2D you get a clear view with either the visor up or down, makes it look like you can turn it on/off.
In VR it's different. Topic poster is talking about the VR implementation where, unlike in 2D, you can see the edges of the visor, the nose gap and the fixation on top of the helmet.
Depending on how the different headsets visualize this, it can be distracting.
 

Ah! I haven't flown in VR for a while, and didn't think of that. Let's hope they will improve the VR implementation within some reasonable time...

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

1 minute ago, d0ppler said:

Ah! I haven't flown in VR for a while, and didn't think of that. Let's hope they will improve the VR implementation within some reasonable time...

It depends on which headset you use. On my Varjo Aero it renders perfectly, but it's a headset with a rather large physical "nose gap" that some people find annoying. So the problem is the rather large physical differences between different headsets, making a "one size fits all" solution for visors challenging.
This will affect any module that uses a JHMCS (the upcoming F-15C as well for example), as you need the visor for the symbology. When flying MiG-29 users who don't like the visor can simply flip it up (or rather, not flip it down as it's up by default) and they don't lose anything.