Landing Gear switch

[sweinhart3]

Im getting ready to make my first set of purchases for an A-10C pit. Does anyone know anwhere I can find a standalone Landing Gear switch that would be passable for an A-10 switch? The only ones Ive been able to find are for a 737 and Airbus style.

Edited December 19, 2009 by sweinhart3

[Sokol1_br]

sweinhart3

 

You search one for buy? Or DIY?

 

Try in http://www.viperpit.org - maybe someone sold F-16 LG lever, the more close to A-10 that you find for now.

 

Sokol1

[HitchHikingFlatlander]

That's an awesome gear lever on the first page!

[Deadman]

The landing gear main switches of the A-10 A or A-10C witch are the same ,and are totally different from the Landing gear switch on the F-16, from the bend in the arm to the plastic handle. The switch for a C-141 is closer to the A-10 and they are on ebay some times. The real A-10 landing gear panel if you can find one will run about $400.00:pilotfly:

Edited December 20, 2009 by Deadman

[sweinhart3]

Yeah I think Im probably gonna have to carve one out myself

[y2kiah]

sweinhart3 just curious, what are you planning to purchase for your A-10C? I've not seen much available on the internet except beginning work on an ACESII seat.

 

Landing gear lever looks easy enough to fabricate, just a bent piece of metal with a wheel. Do you know if the wheel is lit like in the F16?

[sweinhart3]

I could be wrong but from pictures it doesnt appear the landing gear lever lights up. I dont have any metal working tools nor do I have a CNC or any other fancy cutting tools so everything is gonna have to be wood and cut by hand. I purchased ACESII seat from SC Simulations.

https://www.scsimulations.com/

 

Rudder pedals

http://shop.strato.de/epages/219707.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/219707/Products/%22SP%2004%2011%20010%5B5%5D%22

 

HOTAS

Currently using TM Cougar and modified Suncom throttle until TM Warthog comes out.

 

There is mention that scsimulations will soon be starting on A-10 pit, but until thats done, I have designed the frame, instrument panels, and interfacing software based on 3rd party designs and photos. I have the warning panel almost finished and construction of the frame will be starting early next month. If want more info you can PM me.

Edited December 18, 2009 by sweinhart3

[rocketeer]

I have designed the frame, instrument panels, and interfacing software based on 3rd party designs and photos. I have the warning panel almost finished and construction of the frame will be starting early next month.

 

Please share some pictures. :)

[talisman]

yes yes - piccies!

[Deadman]

The handle lights up. with two Lights in red holders the arm has a bend in it and is pulled out to move. The aces II seat for that company is more of a f-16 seat the seat pan is incorrect unless they have changed it, and the area around the head rest is incorrect. But I hope it works for you:thumbup:

 

 

I could be wrong but from pictures it doesnt appear the landing gear lever lights up. I dont have any metal working tools nor do I have a CNC or any other fancy cutting tools so everything is gonna have to be wood and cut by hand. I purchased ACESII seat from SC Simulations.

https://www.scsimulations.com/

 

Rudder pedals

http://shop.strato.de/epages/219707.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/219707/Products/%22SP%2004%2011%20010%5B5%5D%22

 

HOTAS

Currently using TM Cougar and modified Suncom throttle until TM Warthog comes out.

 

There is mention that scsimulations will soon be starting on A-10 pit, but until thats done, I have designed the frame, instrument panels, and interfacing software based on 3rd party designs and photos. I have the warning panel almost finished and construction of the frame will be starting early next month. If want more info you can PM me.

[sweinhart3]

He is cutting an A-10 version for me. Im not gonna care if some details are incorrect while Im playing. I dont have a huge budget for professional high fidelity parts.

[rocketeer]

For some of the knobs like volume I guess we'd be using pots, while others maybe using encoders. When using pots, how does one decide how much resistance to use? I see pots from 5K to 500K. Does it matter?

[sweinhart3]

You can use pretty much any pot from 5k to 100k. It wont matter cause all you are using it for is to vary the voltage. Current draw will be minimal with those.

[Chibawang]

In regards to the ACES II, I understand the budget vs. accuracy argument, but in all honesty you probably would have done better in both areas building your own. I would say the worst of the disparities is the seatback angle of recline. It is the same as the F16's, nearly double what it should be in an A-10. This won't seem so important until you sit in your pit and your feet are on the instrument panel and you can't see the HUD. :huh:

[Deadman]

I understand completely i just want you to be aware that they stress function over accurate replica. Witch is a bizarre attitude for me i can sit in an office chair and it functions for $100.00 why pay $400.00 for a piece of wood?

 

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He is cutting an A-10 version for me. Im not gonna care if some details are incorrect while Im playing. I dont have a huge budget for professional high fidelity parts.

[Sokol1_br]

For some of the knobs like volume I guess we'd be using pots, while others maybe using encoders.

You can use pot for commands made by axis.

If in SIM "volume" are programed only for button or key, you need a encoder to simulate a "pot".

 

Sokol1

[Flim]

In regards to the ACES II, I understand the budget vs. accuracy argument, but in all honesty you probably would have done better in both areas building your own. I would say the worst of the disparities is the seatback angle of recline. It is the same as the F16's, nearly double what it should be in an A-10. This won't seem so important until you sit in your pit and your feet are on the instrument panel and you can't see the HUD. :huh:

 

Well, I have spent many hours in cad and testing the seat personally before anyone else has touched one. I can assure our seats are very close to the real thing.

 

Second, it takes a 30,000 dollar machine to make the seat which is impossible by hand to the accuracy required. So, the time saved in the pit building process is big.

 

The A-10 aces is different from the F-16 Aces, but no one here has seen my version of the a-10 aces II , it has not officially been released. The A-10 seat angle is correct--- It will feel and function like the real seat.

 

So, I think there is a little rush to judgment! I do my best to replicate a metal seat from wood, but it is impossible to get the wood version 100 % accurate. There are a few folks who can really net pick products, but those folks can never be satisfied unless they are sitting in the real cockpit.

 

IF there has to be 100 % accurate attitude , then why would anyone bother pit building? ( IT is impossible) My goal for the products is to get very close , but make it functional. Many people that buy our products just do not have time to build one from scratch. There is a real fine balance in accuracy compared to functionality/time/price, and sometimes I have to change parts for manufacture reasons. IF I was only building one part then I could make it accurate , but I make a lot of parts and time becomes a big factor.

 

SCS is here to help make pit building easier for people who do not have time or the resources. I have received many positive emails from customers that have built our products, and if there is something wrong or inaccurate, we do our very best to fix it. I'm always up for suggestions!

 

FLIM

SCSIMULATIONS

Edited December 20, 2009 by Flim

[Chibawang]

What exactly do you mean by "officially released?" I was judging your design by the CAD renders posted on viperpit.org, as well as the pictures on your own website of the "A-10 ACES II" seat available for purchase. If this was not officially released, how was anyone supposed to know? It seems this page has since been removed, which indicates to me that it was rushed into production and recalled later. So, labeling my remarks as those of a bitter accuracy nazi is a bit much I think. Actually, when you announced you were developing A-10 pits I was enthusiastic about it as I thought it would be good for the community. It was only when you began to advertise and sell your products that I was disappointed by the quality and what I considered to be a misleading description. Even so, I never publicly said anything about it until now, despite my inclination to do so. In any case, it is your right to sell whatever you want, but it is also my right to speak my mind about it. Hopefully in the future this won't be necessary.

[rocketeer]

You can use pretty much any pot from 5k to 100k. It wont matter cause all you are using it for is to vary the voltage. Current draw will be minimal with those.

 

Thanks for explaining that. I guess for those that will be turning frequencies will require encoders, while those for fixed positions we'd use rotary switches and the rest like volume, flow level, temp level etc. we can use pots. Still going through each panel trying to determine which should use what.

[Flim]

What exactly do you mean by "officially released?" I was judging your design by the CAD renders posted on viperpit.org, as well as the pictures on your own website of the "A-10 ACES II" seat available for purchase. If this was not officially released, how was anyone supposed to know? It seems this page has since been removed, which indicates to me that it was rushed into production and recalled later. So, labeling my remarks as those of a bitter accuracy nazi is a bit much I think. Actually, when you announced you were developing A-10 pits I was enthusiastic about it as I thought it would be good for the community. It was only when you began to advertise and sell your products that I was disappointed by the quality and what I considered to be a misleading description. Even so, I never publicly said anything about it until now, despite my inclination to do so. In any case, it is your right to sell whatever you want, but it is also my right to speak my mind about it. Hopefully in the future this won't be necessary.

 

Um, I'm sorry you feel that way-

 

I'm really not sure how I mislead anyone, but I have been working lately on the A-10 trying to get it right. The seat was never official here on the site, just random drawings to gain interest and insight. \

 

If someone buys a part/seat/etc and is not happy- ( I will do what I can in my power to make it right)- that is what separates us from others.

 

BTW, you are first complaint about the seat- there are many folks that have the f-16 version including a real f16 driver. I'm not sure what your issue is since you do not have any of my products nor have even contacted me about your concerns. A little unfair based on circumstances, but everyone has there opinion right or wrong. On the other hand, you can give me a call anytime and talk about your issues.

 

Sorry Swine for Hijacking your thread! Last post about this

Edited December 20, 2009 by Flim

[talisman]

[Flim]

Hey , sorry

 

So, about that bent lever in the A-10!!

 

Seriously, I would Like to make one , but would be a project for the metal shop. Any up close pics of the gear box?

[Sokol1_br]

This pic of old version (A?) show bend:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Fairchild_Republic_A-10A_Thunderbolt_II_cockpit_USAF.jpg

 

This newer © is straight:

 

http://prometheus.med.utah.edu/~bwjones/C1311122445/E20070430115307/Media/Instrument%20panel%20assembly.jpg

http://prometheus.med.utah.edu/~bwjones/C1311122445/E20070430115307/index.html

 

Sokol1

[Cp]

Looks bent to me in this screenshot from DCS warthog:

 

[rocketeer]

I have the book 'modern Hog guide' and the A-10C gear lever is still bent