ZQuickSilverZ Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Eagle Dynamics, I really hope that you will release the KA-52 and pretty fast. With the DCS going online we really need the more advanced enemy detection that these copters offer. I mean KA-52 was designed to be the eyes and ears for the Blackshark right? Not having it is like missing a very important component in team play. If you won't or can't do you have an alternative to feed us info on air threats? Please respond. I need, I need, I need... What about my wants? QuickSilver original. "Off with his job" Mr Burns on the Simpsons. "I've seen steering wheels / arcade sticks / flight sticks for over a hundred dollars; why be surprised at a 150 dollar item that includes the complexities of this controller?! It has BLINKY LIGHTS!!" author unknown. These titles are listed in the chronological order I purchased them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Grimes Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) I can't help agree that in terms of the information that gets sent to the user without specific triggers and human factors is severely lacking. In multiplayer things can be developed that, with the assistance of the human factor, could provide for similar levels of intelligence that an KA-52 or the Kiowa for the US Army provide. But that requires cooperation on many levels, across multiple languages, and even the desires of the players playing the game. Do they want to simulate the game to the nth degree or do they just want to play? Edited February 5, 2010 by Grimes The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
TAIPAN_ Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Eagle Dynamics, I really hope that you will release the KA-52 and pretty fast. It won't happen pretty fast. Flaming cliffs 2 is next, then A-10C. Both of these take up this year. After that the future's unknown. To obtain information on threats, use the target detection sight from the ka-50 pilot, the eyeball. It's development over millions of years has resulting in an unrivalled display resolution of the target area :lol: Being constructive now, it would be great if an AI ka-52 model could be added to flight groups and ordered to recce areas, then datalink them back to us. Pimax Crystal VR & Simpit User | Ryzen CPU & Nvidia RTX GPU | Some of my mods
EtherealN Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Unless something drastic happens (like Russian Army Aviation contracting ED for a Ka-52 sim) there will not be a DC:Ka-52 anytime soon, simply because that thing is very very secret. Not enough info available to make a high-fidelity simulation of it. And yes, many sources claim it was supposed to operate as an AFAC of sorts with packs of Ka-50's, but with Ka-50 production and development halted and Ka-52 development proceeding that is no longer how it goes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
ZQuickSilverZ Posted February 5, 2010 Author Posted February 5, 2010 Taipan I understand what your saying about using the good ol eye ball. Problem is human sight is VERY narrow. You can really only see a very small area in any detail so its easy to miss a small, fast moving, distant object in your perifial vision. Also when you are aquireing a target, your focused on that and its easy to get "tunnel" vision. As far as luangage barriers, I have yet to meet anyone who has not spoken very passable english. I would like to say I really like your AI Ka-52 data link idea though. If they can't do Ka-52, and im not saying I agree with EtherealN that it is all top seceret, because honestly I don't know and I dont see how he could either, then maybee they can do a Ka-29. Though this is older technology and to me not as intresting, this has been used in an ariel command post acivity with Ka-50's. At any rate I think we can all agree that the Russian Military recognized this weakness and took steps to fix it. Shouldnt we do the same? Also I see tons of talk about attack helicopters, air to air jets, air to ground jets, and bombers. What I dont see anything about is recon aircraft. What about awacs?? I think they could be very intresting to fly high and call out targets to fellow pilots. I need, I need, I need... What about my wants? QuickSilver original. "Off with his job" Mr Burns on the Simpsons. "I've seen steering wheels / arcade sticks / flight sticks for over a hundred dollars; why be surprised at a 150 dollar item that includes the complexities of this controller?! It has BLINKY LIGHTS!!" author unknown. These titles are listed in the chronological order I purchased them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Shaman Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Ka-52 could be our AI partner. I really don't need to know how it is scripted - just as long it provides me with data-linked information, and I can see it fly here and there. Please ED! Make Ka-52 as AI a/c! 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
AlphaOneSix Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 In Chechnya, didn't the Ka-32 perform this role (airborne command post)?
Weta43 Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Yeah - that was my understanding too. If you won't or can't do you have an alternative to feed us info on air threats? Please respond Triggers & messages ... ? Cheers.
Frazer Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) Edited February 5, 2010 by Frazer Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
msalama Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 In Chechnya, didn't the Ka-32 perform this role (airborne command post)? According to Wikipedia it was the Ka-29 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50#Operational_history ). To be taken with a grain of salt surely, but still... The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
HungaroJET Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Ka-52 could be our AI partner. I really don't need to know how it is scripted - just as long it provides me with data-linked information, and I can see it fly here and there. Please ED! Make Ka-52 as AI a/c! There is the Ka-52 in DCS (needs minor works to use as AI) we need ONLY a nice/new .lom 3D model instead the ugly .cmd from LOMAC. :director:Please ED! Make new Ka-52 3D model ! :helpsmilie: Hey FRAZER ! Blank Post ? :smilewink: Atop the midnight tarmac, a metal beast awaits. To be flown below the radar, to bring the enemy his fate. HAVE A BANDIT DAY ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." - R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983), American Architect, Author, Designer, Inventor, and Futurist
Frazer Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I though binoculars would come in handy, ED please! lol j/k just ignore me :D Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
isoul Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) But despite the classified info on the Ka-52 its said that when it comes to sensor sytems there are so many options that a "standard" hasn't been decided yet! AFAIK serial production of Ka-52 only started in 2008, that doesn't even count two years 'till present day. Is it possible that we (commercial market) will get a simulator any time(expressed in years!) soon while the first Ka-52 almost haven't reached its first users(Russian Army Aviation)? *You may want to read this article of RIA Novosti Edited February 5, 2010 by isoul
Boberro Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Ka-52 with Hermes missiles oh that would be cool. However for many years it is only dream. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
sobek Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 If you ask me, this whole game series should be renamed to 'no you cannot have the ka-52/f-22/f-35/64d/pak-fa/su-33/su-34/EA-18/Eurofighter/Tornado/F-14/Mi-28N/RWR for the BS/AA missiles for the BS/Airwolf/Flying Lawnmower/Enterprise/X-Wing/flying saucer with RWR/RWR with RWR/want me to go on? Call 0800 EAT MY SHORTS' That just had to be said :D 3 Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
isoul Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 If you ask me, this whole game series should be renamed to 'no you cannot have the ka-52/f-22/f-35/64d/pak-fa/su-33/su-34/EA-18/Eurofighter/Tornado/F-14/Mi-28N/RWR for the BS/AA missiles for the BS/Airwolf/Flying Lawnmower/Enterprise/X-Wing/flying saucer with RWR/RWR with RWR/want me to go on? Call 0800 EAT MY SHORTS' That just had to be said :D If you take many things that it is written in here into consideration then one of the most suitable aircraft list would be : A-7 Corsair, AH-1 Cobra, Super Etendar, Mi-24, F-4E Phantom, Mig-21, Mig-23 and so on... All the above have been in active service for quite long(actually most are considered obsolete), they have few classified equipment anymore but still have radar, ECM etc. The only thing we have to wait is a military contract for a simulator development by ED(I wonder who would like a simulator for almost obsolete equipment...) and the good relationship between ED and the manufacturer(like ED and Kamov) in order for enough info to be provided.
Lucas_From_Hell Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 isoul, anyone operating them. Take Romania as an example. They modernized their MiG-21 LanceR, maybe they could be interested. Same goes for all the others, I guess (except those who already have a good simulator, of course) And by the way, I don't think the Mi-24 fits in this list of 'almost obsolete' aircraft, specially if we're talking about upgraded versions.
msalama Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Mi-24 _NOW_ yer talking. The sexiest obsolete whale of a cannon-fodder ancient helo gunship ever in my book :joystick: On a more serious note: are the Super Hind conversions really adequate in the current hi-tech battle environment? I of course understand there're different conflicts out there and the level of technology employed varies a lot, but considering the age of the original design I'm frankly speaking a bit flummoxed that someone still finds modding them profitable! Or maybe the basic design just _was_ that good, huh? The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
isoul Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) I wasnt talking about the most recent versions (like F-4G Wild Weasel Phantom) since much of the modernized equipment would be kept secret, right? Notice that I said most of them are considered absolete, not all of them! To consider something obsolete means that it doesnt fulfill the role you want it to fulfill so you stop using it. F-104 considered obsolete for Greeks 17 years ago, still Italy retired it 5 years ago but in general it stopped being of any real operational use long before. Edited February 5, 2010 by isoul
HungaroJET Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) If you ask me, this whole game series should be renamed ... :D O.K. calm down Folks :megalol: As i used to say: the whole stuff is classified or hyperclassified:smilewink: so especially for me: I want a flyable Ka-52 also but now "only' a new 3D file is would be enough for me :smartass: Edited February 5, 2010 by HungaroJET Atop the midnight tarmac, a metal beast awaits. To be flown below the radar, to bring the enemy his fate. HAVE A BANDIT DAY ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." - R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983), American Architect, Author, Designer, Inventor, and Futurist
sobek Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) Guys, this rant was made to express my sincere (sic!) understanding of people posting an 'i want this aircraft' thread, after the last one being only 10 minutes old and having, through it's life span, thoroughly explained how aircraft are chosen and why the particular aircraft in question isn't likely to happen ATM. ;) If i didn't make myself clear enough, i beg your pardon. Now will somebody have the decency to shoot me? :doh: Ps: This post is not without irony. Dont make me hint at it any more, please. :) Edited February 5, 2010 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
isoul Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 If you ask me, this whole game series should be renamed to 'no you cannot have the.... That just had to be said :D No worries, point taken/appreciated and indeed it was needed to be said! ... If i didn't make myself clear enough, i beg your pardon. Now will somebody have the decency to shoot me? :doh: ... I have the decency ! Now eat my "obsolete" Vikhrs!!!
Frederf Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I have yet to see ED take on a 2-seat helicopter in terms of AI and/or human-MP copilot very well. Before that happens I'm not getting excited about any 2-seaters. 1
isoul Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) I have yet to see ED take on a 2-seat helicopter in terms of AI and/or human-MP copilot very well. Before that happens I'm not getting excited about any 2-seaters. I was wondering the same thing! Single seaters are OK but what happens if you are the co-pilot/gunner of a two-seater and AI has to actually fly the plane using the realistic flight model? Would it (the AI) be any good? Edited February 5, 2010 by isoul
element1108 Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) That's not really our problem right now. That's for Ed to figure out should they choose to model it. I don't think they'd release it if it was more harm than good. The beta testers did a pretty good job on black shark. If they do go for it and you personally don't like the ai (nobody is ever happy with artificial intelligence because intellignce is effing hard to code) you can fly exclusively with two people. Get a friend, play your rolls and enjoy! Two players are always better than one. If you don't have that second player as often as you'd like, fly a10 or ka-50 until they're available, or do flight practice with the apache. It's all good, longbow 2 was fun years ago so pretty damn sure dcs ah-64a will be a blast. Edited February 5, 2010 by element1108
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