China shocks analysts by Flight Testing 5th gen JXX Stealth fighter

[Antartis]

 

 

[SuperKungFu]

 

 

That girl in the middle is really cute lol.

[Vekkinho]

Congrats China!!!

[Fish]

Thinks this pretty much guarantees the JSF program won't be shelved.

[T-Bone]

SKF, was the 2nd picture down taken from the J-10 chase plane?

[SuperKungFu]

I believe so, I just found these online so can't comment if it was photoshoped or real. But I had the same concerns as you after looking at that terrain

[3GOCHN-443]

SKF, was the 2nd picture down taken from the J-10 chase plane?

 

I believe so, I just found these online so can't comment if it was photoshoped or real. But I had the same concerns as you after looking at that terrain

 

naah, that's obviously a photoshop product. The HUD of J-10S is not like this, this shape of HUD only appears on Q-5 (single seated attacker) or JL-8 (double seated trainer)

 

and the 3rd picture is form a Chinese TV play, which was wildly criticized

[Pilotasso]

Noticed something...the engine nozzles are different, they look straped on top of the real nozzles. The turkey feathers look painted on a cone.

[topol-m]

Noticed something...the engine nozzles are different, they look straped on top of the real nozzles. The turkey feathers look painted on a cone.

 

Yep, you`re right. All of the last shots show the nozzles in one fixed position, and really look like painted :huh:

[Namenlos Ein]

Is this thin pale line mark a weapon bay opening?

 

[T-Bone]

 

Looks like the engine is shiny because it's the WS10A?

 

[mikoyan]

They provably changed the engines to preserve the ws-10 engine life for flight testing.

The airplane looks very smooth; is like they have a different approach than the Russians; the Russians instead are doing a more progressive and conservative development.

[Vekkinho]

Like I said, this prototype looks more production ready than PAK-FA!

 

There's obvious more futuristic approach done by Chinese, J-20 has no rivets and panel joints visible, some special coating or radar absorbing material like the one used on submarines is probably applied before we saw J-20 rolling out of the hangar!

 

I noticed strange nozzles too that seem very fixed in shape and non AB takeoff suggests the same. However, this indeed might be the engine made for J-20 and nozzles we saw before probably belong to AL-31 engines that might be used only for taxi tests done so far. We estimate AL-31 as insufficient to propel the aircraft of this size but it has enough power to make it roll!

[topol-m]

I don`t think you can see the joints and rivets from this far, especially with the black painting of the aircraft. And about the production readiness, it just made its first flight it`s far from production, just as far as PAK-FA. ;) Another thing to take into consideration are its systems: radar, avionics, etc. Chinese AESA radar? In 2011?

[PAKFA]

It is kind a hard to tell without seeing a top view of the airplane; If I'm not mistaking delta wings can achieve very high pitch rates and if you add those two canards in the front then the outcome improves; my issue with this bird is that it is too big and long; and the size provably hurts its nimbleness since it would be a lot of mass to move around; One example would be the mirage 4000 seen here...

It is not a slouch but you can tell that it is less nimble that its smaller brother the mirage 2000

I guess the problem would be sustained turn rate and not instantaneous turn rates; delta wings are very good at piching fast; It has big canards on the front.

The question now is if it uses the all moving tail for pitching; which could also help to make it more agile. If I'm not mistaking the ideal fighter size is about the size of the f-15 (there is a study about this stuff)

If you look at the raptor videos you can tell that most of the surfaces interact to help the bird turn; the elevators move at the same time as the tvc engines; the rudders move together up as in the super-hornet; and if I'm not wrong; the outer ailerons move up a bit coupled with the slats moving down (my guess is that they create more camber and create a washout on the outer section of the wing to achieve higher alpha)

 

 

another question I have is if the boxy fuselage helps to create lift. The russians for example went the other way around by creating that lifting duct between the engines like on the f-14, mig-29 and su-27.

i agree with you

[Seaeagle]

Like I said, this prototype looks more production ready than PAK-FA!

 

I think it looks more like something out of Chop Shop :D

[Demokrator]

JSF mock-up from early 90's.

 

:D:D:D

[Krippz]

JSF mock-up from early 90's.

 

:D:D:D

 

Hmmmm that resembles something; I just can't put my finger on it :music_whistling:

[hassata]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12266973

 

nice one china

[Pilotasso]

pure speculation, even the more when talking about british press :)

[asparagin]

pure speculation, even the more when talking about british press :)

 

Of course.. and the news comes exactly after the announcement of the Chinese fighter, bet they have a good story for every occasion in their bags. BBC is also going in the direction of scandal news..

[159th_Viper]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12266973

 

nice one china

 

Speculating that the story is speculation or truth aside, it's bound to happen. If not, the P-86 Sabre would never have seen the light of day.....;)

[asparagin]

Speculating that the story is speculation or truth aside..

 

The difference is, whatever we speculate is between us, but what the media is speculating is truth for some.

[159th_Viper]

The difference is, whatever we speculate is between us....

 

Not so :)

 

This very forum is Social Media and for some carry just as much import if not more so than the News Media.

 

In any event, as said it's all supposition. As the past illustrates, it's happened before - It can very well happen (or indeed has happened) again .

[asparagin]

Not so :)

 

This very forum is Social Media and for some carry just as much import if not more so than the News Media.

 

It's true, but at the moment the majority of the people with who I share candidates, don't follow this forums. :D