DCS: A-10C Warthog HOTAS simulation capability

[sungsam]

Dear all, as an owner of Both FC2 and DCS, I have a question about the upcoming HiFi Simulation of A-10C.

 

As we probably know, Real F-16 HOTAS, provides Master Mode (A-A,A-G,etc) and Weapon dependent functionality, of Throttle and Stick Buttons. :joystick:

 

OpenFalcon has already that capability implemented, as HOTAS Key Functions. :D

 

Will DCS A-10C provide Real Hotas Functionality key presses as well ?

 

PS. I pray for positive answer.

 

My Rgds

:beer:

Edited June 18, 2010 by sungsam

[MTFDarkEagle]

The TM Warthog will have plug-and-play capability with DCS: A-10C. Meaning all the buttons on the throttle quadrant will function straight out of the box. (correct me if I'm wrong though :))

 

Greetings!

[Eddie]

Wags stated in the SimHQ interview that the HOTAS Wathog would be plug and play and configured to exactly match the controls in the real A-10C when detected by DCS:A-10C.

 

So in answer to your question, yes. Although the HOTAS functions may not be the same as on the Viper, I've not seen the A-10C flight manual yet so can't say for sure if the TMS, DMS and CMS on the stick have the same fuctions in the hog.

[sungsam]

Thanks for your answer, but i am afraid my question has nothing to do with the stick you are using.

 

It is rather a question of programming logic of the DCS A10C, that we, as users can not provide.

 

So i am expecting an answer from Develpment/Testers Team, if it is not against rules.

 

For example: in Real F-16 you can press a specific HOTAS button to change from CCIP to CCRP when you have CBUs and A-G Master Mode chosen. But the same button serves an Wheel Steering Engagement button during Taxing, it also servers as refuel disconect button during refueling procedures with open Fuel Fuse. All this multifuctionality has been implemented also in real A10C that shares almost, the same HOTAS design.

 

The question is ... Did ED programatically implemented this also ?

 

Hope I'm clear now.:)

[sungsam]

Wags stated in the SimHQ interview that the HOTAS Wathog would be plug and play and configured to exactly match the controls in the real A-10C when detected by DCS:A-10C.

 

So in answer to your question, yes. Although the HOTAS functions may not be the same as on the Viper, I've not seen the A-10C flight manual yet so can't say for sure if the TMS, DMS and CMS on the stick have the same fuctions in the hog.

 

 

Opps quick answer ... that is what i am asking... Thanks ! :thumbup:

 

Personally i think it is silly to be depentable on what you own as a HOTAS. It must be programatically implemented. Open Falcon does that already.

Edited June 18, 2010 by sungsam

[Eddie]

Well given that it would have to be implemented in the sim for it to work on the HOTAS Warthog, the answer has to be yes doesn't it. If the functions weren't programmed in the sim how could they be there for the Warhog.

 

The only difference between the HOTAS Wathog and any other HOTAS is that you won't have to create a profile for the warthog as it's hardcoded into the sim, whereas a profile would be needed for any other HOTAS setup.

 

Hopefully that's a bit clearer.

[sungsam]

You have a point ! Sounds logical .... I agree with that assumption.

 

Hope ED will give a straight answer.

 

My Rgds

[nemises]

Judging from the completness of BlackShark in terms of control options, I would imagine that any and every cockpit function (well..within reason) will be available and functional...

If there is a "Master Mode" change function in the real A10c, then for sure this will be implemented in the game.

It would then be up to you to select which key press or hotas button to allocate to the function.

 

If you are talking about Context Sensitive buttons (ie a button or keystroke that functions differently depending on the Master Mode or context), then this should also be in the game IF it is like this in the real A10c ....

[sungsam]

I'm talking about a button or keystroke that functions differently depending on the Master Mode or context.

 

But You have answered Thoroughly.

 

As we already talking, it would be a good idea for A10C documentaion to provide this HOTAS functionality chart.

 

My Rgds

Edited June 18, 2010 by sungsam

[sobek]

If you are talking about Context Sensitive buttons (ie a button or keystroke that functions differently depending on the Master Mode or context), then this should also be in the game IF it is like this in the real A10c ....

 

The C-Hog would harldly be HOTAS controllable without context-based controls. Also remember that it is based on the DTS, which called for absolute realism concerning controls. I'd say it is a safe bet that the controls will work like in the actual hog (context based, long and short pushes doing different things).

[GGTharos]

Testers will usually not answer questions that have not already been answered by someone who is more qualified to divulge information, just FYI; we're all bound by NDAs which means we say nothing unless say, Wags, EB, or the dev team say it first somewhere.

[sungsam]

The C-Hog would harldly be HOTAS controllable without context-based controls. Also remember that it is based on the DTS, which called for absolute realism concerning controls. I'd say it is a safe bet that the controls will work like in the actual hog (context based, long and short pushes doing different things).

 

 

That was the pointreason of my "anxiety". I like to implement near to reality profiles, this capability also help the most on simulated experiance and pitbuilding accordingly !:thumbup:

[GGTharos]

Buy a HOTAS Warthog. Doesn't get any more realistic in that respect, IMHO ;)

 

That was the pointreason of my "anxiety". I like to implement near to reality profiles, this capability also help the most on simulated experiance and pitbuilding accordingly !:thumbup:

[sungsam]

I'm gonna buy it for Sure ! I actually believe that the proffesional work level of DCS series generally and A10-C especially, worth the expense.

 

My rgds

Out !

[Nate--IRL--]

Didn't the original Lock On and FC1 have context based keys, or am I imagining that?

 

Nate

[EvilBivol-1]

The answer is yes, the simulation models all of the native HOTAS functions of the A-10C, including different functions for short and long presses of the buttons.

[SY_KO]

The answer is yes, the simulation models all of the native HOTAS functions of the A-10C, including different functions for short and long presses of the buttons.

 

 

COOL :thumbup:

[Chris CDN]

I'm not sure if this is news or not, but Thrustmaster's Website is showing an MSRP of €399 ($600 USD). Is this going to sway anybody who had originally planned on purchasing this?

[winz]

Me most likely, when I add shipping cost + shop revenue...phew, I see a price somewhere around 450euros... and that's alot.

[EtherealN]

winz,

MSRP = Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price

 

That's not "price that the retailer pays" and you add store gross profit on top of it. It's what TM suggests that stores are to charge you when they sell it to you.

 

Personally, I'm not dissuaded by the price. 400 euros is less than the 500+ euros that I was expecting. :P

[coolts]

Having seen the quality of the TM HOG in the SinmHQ preview, you can see where the money has been spent. Couple that attention to detail, (accurate trigger spring weightiing, endorsed by US armed forces, etc), with the DCS simulations, "if its on the plane, its in the game", approach and fidelity, makes a match made in heaven IMO. I'm sold.

 

The fact that ED & TM have been working together on this has the potential to make these separate projects complementary benefits far greater than the sum of their parts. "As real as it gets" ? Reckon so.

 

And i wont have to spend a month farting about with Cougar profiles :book: (thats worth about 40E just there!)

Edited June 29, 2010 by coolts

[EtherealN]

And i wont have to spend a month farting about with Cougar profiles :book: (thats worth about 40E just there!)

 

That's truth right there. €40 can hurt fur students and such, but people with job, family and friends might well consider a bit extra money for true plug-and-play well worth it compared to spending 2-3 hours or more fiddling with profilers - that might easily be all the "gametime" they have available in that day or even weekend.

 

And example: I paid a measly €100 for my non-Pro x52. But if I were to count the hours I spent combating bluescreens, freezes and general profiler setup and count that as time I could have spent with work the price for that stick just went up to ~€240.

 

Fortunately for me though, my work does give me a lot of time to tinker with my computer, so I didn't actually lose any productivity which makes the comparison a bit wonky, but it's all a question of how one decides to value one's time. You can compare to the TrackIR vs FreeTrack debate - some pay extra for the plug-and-play of TrackIR, others spend the time to build and set up their FreeTrack unit.

[coolts]

Exactly. I can totally see people having trouble with the asking price. I was a student myself not so long ago.

 

As an example though i recently decided to transition to the SU-25T in FC2.0 to get a start on the AFM in prep for DCS:A-10, and then spent most of saturday morning mapping controls and tweaking my HOTAS. I can now fly and fight but have all the autopilot stuff to do map.

 

At some point on saturday afternoon i had a, "i might as well be at work" , moment when i was deep into a Foxy file for the umpteenth time.

 

I would rather be dropping ordnance than flashing firmwares! If TM Hog gives me out-of-the-box DCS functionality, then, unless TM totally balls it up they have sold one right away.

[nemises]

I dont think broke ass students are TM's target audience somehow :)

[HitchHikingFlatlander]

No thats right this stick is not a budget deal it's all or nothing. Geared for pit builders and serious simmers who have the money to invest. I don't have the money for it but I know it's still a good price for a feature packed HOTAS. And if you venture over to www.mycockpit.org check out what those guys spend on laser engraved panels and 737 replica yokes with only a few buttons, all so they can simulate the 4:15 from LA to Dulles.

 

This is like comparing a Mustang Saleen to a Saleen S7, one costs more but also looks better, drives faster and gets more chicks! Nice things are expensive and the A10 HOTAS is no exception.

Edited June 29, 2010 by HitchHikingFlatlander