DCS A-10C QUESTIONS

[Eddie]

The way I see it Su-25T can do anything A-10C can... it can take out any target the A-10 can and since it can carry more weapons (with Vikhrs) it can take out more targets... it has greater speed but less manouverable... and it can do one thing A-10 can't... SEAD.

 

Yes, much like I can do anything any other human being can do. Nevermind that an Olympic sprinter can run the 100m in under 10 seconds, I 'CAN' run 100m, therefore I can do exactly the same as an Olympic athlete.

[Kegetys]

Can the new mission generator be used to make multiplayer missions too? (co-op)

[GGTharos]

You may as well have said that the Su-25T can do anything a MiG can ... I mean it has R-73's and all those Vikhrs can be used in A2A too! In fact it seems it can do -better- than the MiG-29 can!

 

Same sort of argument ;)

 

Nothing against you Kuky, just ... well, what Eddie said.

 

The way I see it Su-25T can do anything A-10C can... it can take out any target the A-10 can and since it can carry more weapons (with Vikhrs) it can take out more targets... it has greater speed but less manouverable... and it can do one thing A-10 can't... SEAD.

[Kuky]

Yes, much like I can do anything any other human being can do. Nevermind that an Olympic sprinter can run the 100m in under 10 seconds, I 'CAN' run 100m, therefore I can do exactly the same as an Olympic athlete.

 

Not the same comparison at all. Point being is wether Su-25T or the A-10C can do task they are given... can they take out a tank... a column... a building (HQ etc)... cluster a column... can they do CAS... SEAD etc.

 

Define better and we can have more meaningfull discussion... we can say with which aircraft can the assigned target be taken out in shorter time... with less exposure etc... just running off with comment like yours is pointless.

 

Oh and by the way the Su-25T is cheaper and its weapon arsenal is cheaper also.

Edited September 7, 2010 by Kuky

[Kuky]

Well in case of A2A and R-73's, no it can't do what the MiG can.. silly to mention really... the R-73 on the Su-25T is not meant for attacking other aircraft (in this case I mean fighters) as this is what the MiG was designed for. The R-73 and R-60 would more be used against choppers.

 

The MiG can't also do what Su-25T can... yes it can fire salvo of rockets, kill a vehicle etc but it does not have the targetting precision of the Su-27T and Shkval. In game you can zoom in to see ground units better... in real life you can't do this so naturaly it limits the use of fast aircraft like the MiG to close range targeting which is not so precise.

Edited September 7, 2010 by Kuky

[GGTharos]

The A-10C can perform CAS with greater speed and greater precision, especially but not necessarily in conjunction with a JTAC. It has equipment on-board that is of great value when it comes to preventing friendly fire, and can drop things on other things from altitudes that will keep it safe from any SHORAD currently deployed anywhere.

 

The search time for targets is minimized, and it can already pick and sort targets in a cooperative environment from quite a distance, when carrying the pod. It can also receive datalinked targets with the ability to slave weapons to those targets. If necessary it can track a laser pointing at a target by either JTAC or another aircraft, as well as the ability to track another aircraft's SPI, allowing easy and fast target sorting.

 

And while the Su-25T might be cheaper, no one wants it or its arsenal ... the Su-25SM is receiving upgrades similar to those of the A-10C, but will less oomph.

[GGTharos]

... and now you probably understand why the A-10C is superior in the CAS role :)

It can do anything the Su-25T can do in that role faster, and more accurately. Even strike missions - the only thing it cannot do is get there as fast as a 25.

 

The MiG can't also do what Su-25T can... yes it can fire salvo of rockets, kill a vehicle etc but it does not have the targetting precision of the Su-27T and Shkval. In game you can zoom in to see ground units better... in real life you can't do this so naturaly it limits the use of fast aircraft like the MiG to close range targeting which is not so precise.

[Eddie]

Well the issue is you are looking at it far too simplistically. Can both the Frogfoot and the Hog kill a tank? Yes. Can they both destroy columns, bunkers, buildings or other enemy formations? Yes.

 

But then a Viper or a Mudhen can do all those things as well, does that mean they have the same capabilities as the Hog and vice versa? No it doesn't.

 

The Hog and the Frogfoot may have both been conceived for essentially the same role, but they are in no way equally capable. The is a lot more to an aircraft's capability than the weapons it carries and the types of target it can destroy.

Edited September 7, 2010 by Eddie

[nomdeplume]

Not the same comparison at all. Point being is whether Su-25T or the A-10C can do task they are given... can they take out a tank... a column... a building (HQ etc)... cluster a column... can they do CAS... SEAD etc.

 

Well they're different aircraft with different design goals. Just comparing two aircraft isn't that useful, especially if they're not going to be fighting eachother directly. You need to consider the rest of the fleet. I'm sure the US military could give the A-10 SEAD capability if they wanted to, but they already have plenty of other platforms that can do that task, so there's not anything to be gained by doing so.

 

The Maverick, while more expensive and carried in smaller numbers, is generally superior to the Vikhr, especially when being deployed from fast-movers. It's very dangerous to take out a target that has teeth with Vikhrs, since you have to fly toward the target until the weapon hits.

 

If you are engaging hordes of undefended targets, the GAU-8 cannon is very effective, and also highly cost-effective.

[Kuky]

Yes in the CAS role I agree, the A-10 is better (because its more manouverable, has (more off) stand off fire and forget weapons and its gun is lethal... and the datalink sure. What the Su-25T excells is it can reach its target (pre-planned attack) quicker because it has greater speed, and it can also conduct its attack from high and safe altitude and be safe from SHORAD.

 

I wonder though how well/realistic is the Su-25T in FC2 now... we can see the Vikhrs perform more close to what the real weapon would... and I'm wondering because right now I can do an attack and take out 6 targets in one go with guided weapons (3 with Vikhrs easy... sometimes 4)... yes I do have to overfly the target this way but if you target the defences (or what ever can take you out) from further away you stand good chance of not being hit.

 

PS. A-10 still can't do SEAD :P

[Eddie]

PS. A-10 still can't do SEAD :P

 

And nor should it, it's a CAS aircraft

Leave SEAD to the aircraft with the performance and systems to do it properly. The Frogfoot has neither. The reason it has SEAD is simple western doctirine is different from that if the eastern block, therefore the aircraft and their capabilities differ to match those differences.

[Thunderbird]

LOL, not even slightly. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind such a statement.

 

 

 

u're not a lawyer to investigate my statement, my question was if the A10C has SEAD capability like the SU25T and i guess it was well answered by GGTharos, no need to lol bla bla etc

 

Thanks

Edited September 7, 2010 by Thunderbird

[leafer]

:noexpression:

[Kuky]

And nor should it, it's a CAS aircraft

Leave SEAD to the aircraft with the performance and systems to do it properly. The Frogfoot has neither. The reason it has SEAD is simple western doctirine is different from that if the eastern block, therefore the aircraft and their capabilities differ to match those differences.

 

Well on the other side of the stament then the A-10C is not as capable as Su-25T because the Frogfoot can do SEAD also. The A-10C is pure CAS aircraft.. the Su-25T can do CAS, althought not as "good", and other taskings to.

[Druid_]

capable [ˈkeɪpəbəl]

adj 1. having ability, esp in many different fields; competent

2. (postpositive; foll by of) able or having the skill (to do something)

3. (postpositive; foll by of) having the temperament or inclination (to do something)

 

I would say flexible rather than capable. Its better than the a10c at SEAD but when it comes to everything else the a10c wins hands down.

 

Also I thought this was a thread specifically to ask questions regarding the a10c and not a 'is it superior to this or as good as this' etc. Start a new thread. No wonder I struggle to find answers to my questions when threads are hijacked all the time (rant over).

 

Any chance GG or anyone for that matter, to a reply to my last question regarding radar/IR modelling, here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=56027&page=48 ?

[Eddie]

 

Any chance GG or anyone for that matter, to a reply to my last question regarding radar/IR modelling, here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=56027&page=48 ?

 

Difficult to answer at the moment with the sim still being developed. I can say however that I'm yet to be hit by an IR SAM in the Hog, take from that what you will.

[asparagin]

Sry, maybe this has been asked before: do you have the same performance problems with the Targeting Pod (when viewed through) as with the shkval in SU-25 (FC 2.0)?

[Mercury]

Sry for changing the subject here, but I searched in the forums and found nothing about Las Vegas McCarran Intl. I'm guessing this airport has been modelled too... right???

[159th_Viper]

u're not a lawyer to investigate my statement, my question was if the A10C has SEAD capability like the SU25T and i guess it was well answered by GGTharos, no need to lol bla bla etc

 

Thanks

 

To qualify and make all reasonably happy (Yes - I like plinking SHORAD), the A10C has a limited SEAD capability, ie it can engage and eliminate any short-range air defence system with ease (as GG said too).

 

Granted, that's not the role it's meant to perform: Does not however negate the fact that for SHORAD at least, there's absolutely nowhere to hide :gun_rifle:

[Thunderbird]

thanks viper

[159th_Viper]

thanks viper

 

No Bother :)

 

 

Sry for changing the subject here, but I searched in the forums and found nothing about Las Vegas McCarran Intl. I'm guessing this airport has been modelled too... right???

 

Nellis and Groom Lake (Military), yeah. McCarran (Commercial), no.

[ShalashakaDS]

i was wondering, how is the cbu-105/blu-108 modeled? It actually works like we see in so many advertisement videos or was it simplified in the sim?

[Eddie]

Sry, maybe this has been asked before: do you have the same performance problems with the Targeting Pod (when viewed through) as with the shkval in SU-25 (FC 2.0)?

 

Assuming the Shkval in FC2 is the same as in DCS:BS, no. They are totally different systems. Comparing them would be like comparing the latest Hollywood HD movie cameras with a 1980's VHS camcorder.

[159th_Viper]

Assuming the Shkval in FC2 is the same as in DCS:BS, no. They are totally different systems. Comparing them would be like comparing the latest Hollywood HD movie cameras with a 1980's VHS camcorder.

 

Asparagin might be referring to the FPS issues........at least, that's how I understood it :)

[asparagin]

Asparagin might be referring to the FPS issues........at least, that's how I understood it :)

 

Right.

The comparison with a 80's VCR is not bad though :D