RSharpe Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 So I've not played a flightsim for nearly a decade now, but I've recently caught the bug to get back into it, and more seriously now that I can afford doing this right. I have several games that I want to play now, although ultimate, DCS A-10C is the one that I'm really looking forward to. My question is this. Should I test my patience and wait it out for Thrustmaster's A-10 flight control set to come out along with DCS A-10C, or should I just jump on a Logitech G940 and enjoy other games while I wait? Also, since the TM set does not include rudder peddles and they don't seem to have plans to make a set, what do people recommend to complement the set? Thanks for any advice people may give.
Avilator Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 I think the answer depends on you. If you can stand the wait (and the torture from GA and Wags:D) then wait for DCS: Warthog and the stick from thrustmaster. As for what you would get now, I don't have enough experience with various equipment to talk about different HOTASs. I would recommend Saitek rudder pedals. They have solid construction and their size and tension are adjustable. Welcome to the community and have a good time!:thumbup: I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly
Stretch Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 The Thrustmaster Warthog is in a class above the Logitech G940. If you get a G940, plan to sell it in the future should you ever get your hands on a Warthog. The difference might not be obvious through pictures, especially to someone who is just getting back into HOTAS systems, but trust me: They are in completely separate classes. I have Saitek's rudder pedals and I have good things to say about them. In 3 years they haven't stopped working (which is more than I can say for my old set of CH pedals). The only problem is one of the nonfunctional plastic pieces at the base broke off, and I had to glue it back on. Functionality wasn't affected, just the pedal's grip on my rug. Tim "Stretch" Morgan 72nd VFW, 617th VFS Other handles: Strikeout (72nd VFW, 15th MEU Realism Unit), RISCfuture (BMS forums) PC and Peripherals: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RISCfuture/saved/#view=DMp6XL Win10 x64 — BMS — DCS — P3D
Sticky Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Also, since you havent used a flightsim for ten years, get TrackIR. Trust me, it will make a huge difference. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My Sim/Game CV: Falcon 1,3,4. Gunship. A10 TankKiller. Fighter Bomber. Strike eagle 2&3. F19 Stealth Fighter. F117. Wings. F29 Retaliator. Jetfighter II. F16 Fighting Falcon. Strike Commander. F22 Raptor. F16MRF. ATF. EF2000. Longbow 1&2. TankKiller2 Silent Thunder. Hind. Apache Havoc. EECH. EAW. F22 ADF. TAW. Janes WW2,USAF,IAF,F15,F18. F18 Korea. F18 Super Hornet. B17 II. CFS 2. Flanker 2&2.5. BOB. Mig Alley. IL2. LOMAC. IL2FB. FC2. DCS:BS. DCS:A10C.
RSharpe Posted July 26, 2010 Author Posted July 26, 2010 Also, since you havent used a flightsim for ten years, get TrackIR. Trust me, it will make a huge difference. Oh yes. I plan on getting that. Unfortunately, TrackIR5 doesn't seem to be working with ATI drivers at the moment, and I just got a new HD5850 :(. Hopefully they'll resolve that problem soon or I may get rid of it for some sort of Nvidia card.
Insanatrix Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Works fine for me. 4870 vapor-x and TIR 5. Where did you hear it doesn't work with ATI?
RSharpe Posted July 26, 2010 Author Posted July 26, 2010 Works fine for me. 4870 vapor-x and TIR 5. Where did you hear it doesn't work with ATI? From the Naturalpoint forums. http://forum.naturalpoint.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=41925#Post41925 It appears there is a workaround, but the incompatibility problem is making hesitate for now. I'm running Catalyst 10.6 at the moment.
Insanatrix Posted July 27, 2010 Posted July 27, 2010 I used 10.6 and I really had no problems. Is it specific to the 5xxx series? just upgraded to 10.7 and noticed an improved smoothness in FC2 and BS.
sinelnic Posted July 27, 2010 Posted July 27, 2010 I own a G940 and am very dissapointed with it. Some folk were dissatisfied on release with the way it handled force-feedback, but apparently that was solved with the latest software. I am very dissatisfied with the issue called "Axis Reversal Bug", which basically ruins the excellent precision of the stick, throttle and rotaries. There are other issues around, if you do a search in the forums for G940 you´ll find plenty of comment on the stick Should those issues be corrected though (and they claim they´re "reviewing the issue" and working on new software, without ETA -probably months- nor commitment to what will they solve), it is potentially an outstanding HOTAS. I bought it because of Force Feedback, and can assure you that it added a dimension to my enjoyment. Westinghouse W-600 refrigerator - Corona six-pack - Marlboro reds - Patience by Girlfriend "Engineering is the art of modelling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess, in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." (Dr. A. R. Dykes - British Institution of Structural Engineers, 1976)
HitchHikingFlatlander Posted July 27, 2010 Posted July 27, 2010 RSharpe its been a decade so why not wait on buying a HOTAS until at least TM's Warthog HOTAS comes out. If you really want to get in the game in the meantime get a cheap $20-30 stick to mess with (if you considering the Warthog HOTAS you have the money). Logitech and Saitek have their new stuff out, it's worth to wait for th TM HOTAS to see how the all stack up. http://dcs-mercenaries.com/ USA Squad
RSharpe Posted July 27, 2010 Author Posted July 27, 2010 Thanks guys. I've made my decision to hold tight and wait it out and just do things right from the start :)
digital_steve Posted July 27, 2010 Posted July 27, 2010 Oh yes. I plan on getting that. Unfortunately, TrackIR5 doesn't seem to be working with ATI drivers at the moment, and I just got a new HD5850 :(. Hopefully they'll resolve that problem soon or I may get rid of it for some sort of Nvidia card. 5970 here, TrackIR5 and using Catalyst drivers since 10.something with no problems. On 10.6 currently, no issues. I used 10.6 and I really had no problems. Is it specific to the 5xxx series? just upgraded to 10.7 and noticed an improved smoothness in FC2 and BS. Top info, will get 10.7 asap! AMD Phenom II 965 BE @ 3.8GHz, 8GB OCZ AMD BE RAM, ATI HD5970 2GB XFX BE @ 875/1215, TM HOTAS Cougar, TM Cougar MFDs, TrackIR 5, CH MFP, GoFlight Switch Panel, iMo Mini-Monster Touch, Mimo 720S, Saitek Pro Flight Headset
sking06 Posted November 7, 2010 Posted November 7, 2010 New Logitech Profiler v5.10 available that appears to solve G940 reversal and center slop issue.
power5 Posted November 7, 2010 Posted November 7, 2010 New Logitech Profiler v5.10 available that appears to solve G940 reversal and center slop issue. Reversal fixed? Just saw a post saying Logitech were working on it a few days ago. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
Shake3000 Posted November 7, 2010 Posted November 7, 2010 New Logitech Profiler v5.10 available that appears to solve G940 reversal and center slop issue. Nope. From the 5.10 release notes: User can now turn off panel lights for G940 in custom game control panel Support G940 ministick manual calibration Better support for G940 resume from suspend And yes they've only recently acknowledged the problem.
dane48 Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 And why should one consider buying a Warthog Thrustmaster which will cost about 1/3- 1/4th of the cost of a darn good computer (US $) ?? Kind of hard to justify "To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home."-----anonymous
kylania Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 And why should one consider buying a Warthog Thrustmaster which will cost about 1/3- 1/4th of the cost of a darn good computer (US $) ?? Kind of hard to justify It's amazing and it'll last you 10 years. I've been through countless CH and TM and MS joysticks and two sets of Saitek in the last 10 years, costing way more than my new WH. :joystick: It's definitely a big purchase, but it's also a very long term purchase. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Christmas Cheer - A Landing Practice Mission : Beta Paint Schemes : HOTAS Keyboard Map : Bingo Fuel - A DCS A-10C Movie
power5 Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 It's amazing and it'll last you 10 years. I've been through countless CH and TM and MS joysticks and two sets of Saitek in the last 10 years, costing way more than my new WH. :joystick: It's definitely a big purchase, but it's also a very long term purchase. And you have R&D evidence of this stick lasting 10 years? Hell, you have some proof that this will last longer than any other stick? Which TM sticks have you had? None of the parts in those are used in the WH correct? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
WarriorX Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 And you have R&D evidence of this stick lasting 10 years? Hell, you have some proof that this will last longer than any other stick? Which TM sticks have you had? None of the parts in those are used in the WH correct? You probably did not mean your post to come across as an attack on someone else's opinion, but it sure reads that way! No one knows for sure how long the WH will last eventually, but there are design attributes that add to it's long term life expectancy, eg the non contact hall sensors. There are many users on here that actually have the WH, like Kylania, that have posted their reviews/opinions. Take 'em or leave 'em, no one is gonna force you to buy a WH. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial
Echonomix Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 Track IR does not work with the 64 bit version of DCS at the moment. There should be a fix from natural point to provide 64bit support. Just throwing that in here. It is working fine with ATI software/hardware. (I know that part of the thread was from July) asus p7p55d deluxe | intel i5-750 @ stock | g.skill ripjaw 4gb | asus geforce gtx 470 @ stock | trackir 4 | thrustmaster hotas warthog | win7 home premium 64bit
Cali Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 It's amazing and it'll last you 10 years. I've been through countless CH and TM and MS joysticks and two sets of Saitek in the last 10 years, costing way more than my new WH. :joystick: It's definitely a big purchase, but it's also a very long term purchase. Thats strange about the CH, I have had mine for over several years with no problems. If anyone wants to know the truth about CH, google them and see how many problems it has compared to TM or MS sticks. I recently bought a cougar and will keep my CH set up in case I'm not happy with it, once I get it to finally work. Have had the cougar since June, make that 2 of them, took the 1st one back cause I thought it was broke. One thing I can say is the spring on this one doesn't seem like the 1st one I had a few years ago, so maybe they finally fixed that also. My CH set up cost me $330 over 7 years ago and it still works perfectly...like I just took them out the box. The reviews from the warthog are good, but we have no idea how it is going to do after 1 or more years of use. The cougar didn't/doesn't have a very good track record. And..yes I still bought one. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
HemingwayFE Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 I got myself a new X65 set up about 4 days ago. Was feeling kind of iffy on it for the first day. After I adjusted the dead zones and had it programed I must say it's a really amazing piece of hardware. The force sensing is really outstanding for accuracy. Build quality is great as well. Really happy with my purchase.
StrongHarm Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 An x52pro setup is sufficient. I'd sell you mine for (checks price of Warthog HOTAS) around $500. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
swift Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 In the case of the OP, I'll go with SH and pick yourself a X52 + TrackIR combo for the win. The hardcore armchair aviators you'll find here, are in the process of switching, or already switched to the sexy Warthog hotas. Don't listen to them (us), we are victims of the consumerism, worse than a child in Christmas. Did I said sexy Warthog?! Damn.:doh:
kylania Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 Thats strange about the CH, I have had mine for over several years with no problems. Sorry I wasn't clear. I didn't have problems with any joysticks, I just kept upgrading to the latest and greatest! :) :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Christmas Cheer - A Landing Practice Mission : Beta Paint Schemes : HOTAS Keyboard Map : Bingo Fuel - A DCS A-10C Movie
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