ERI In Multiplayer

[104th_Crunch]

That is sad to hear blackG, but I don't agree. What if tomorrow ED released DCS: MiG-29 vs F-15 that was extremely realistic and included everything in ERI and More!

[MoGas]

LO is already destroyed enough. I dont see dozens of my friends flying anymore since you bring your reality in 2.0 and those F15 crap. Noobs in F 15 are stronger then ever even they dont know primary things about flying. Community changed, and changed to worse. Personally i didnt enjoy single second flying after 2.0 showed. People in my squadron are not interested anymore, and to be honest I am so close to quit. Over and out.

 

It is destroyed in youre eyes maybe. The problem is some like a even game on both sides, but this is the "Hawks" title, and for sure not DCS in the future.

 

:doh:

[Sanch0]

No if only part of the people will use ERI on the server.

Yes if everyone will have this mod (for example: game is downloading ERI when joining to the server).

[GGTharos]

Yeah, we shouldn't have spent all that time adjusting and testing flight performance etc etc.

 

Oh and as far as realism... leave that to DCS. Or there is a billion other things that can be brought up about how unrealistic and absolutely retarded they are on any airframe.

[PoleCat]

Don't forget, the 104th allowed ERI and LEAVU. In FC 1 for months and in FC2 for about 6 weeks, therefore there is nothing to test.

 

As Case pointed out, that is not really the issue. The 104th would like to proceed with a mandatory download that players must install before joining the server that includes ERI and a locked tacview.

 

Server admins, please post here if you would to do the same with your server please.

 

Thanks

 

 

Clarity. +1.

 

Out

[Prophet]

Might as well add a WSO like in F-4E to manually track the target for you. You will not find a single F-15, from A to the still-on-paper SE where the pilot would have to do anything as inane as manually controlling radar elevation with a bugged/locked target. That is the MINIMUM the very MINIMUM automation the F-15 radar provides. The only time you have to manually steer the antenna is in certain very specific ECM environments, and that relates more (at least AFAIK) to sparrow shows than anything else. Even then it is likely nowhere near as tedious as it is in FC.

 

 

 

It's great that you like it - the only problem is, it isn't how it should work.

 

 

 

Oh, what, you think an FC2 flanker driver suddenly can't make life hard for you because the antenna steers to follow him while he's bugged? You mean it feels good for you to have to work extra to compensate for broken equipment?

 

 

 

 

The Su-25/25T is one of the most benign sim cockpits I've worked with. Jane's F-15E/F-18E radars were far busier, and they provided a whole lot more automation and useful information than what you get in FC.

 

The entire POINT of the F-15C itself was to be a ONE man fighter because there was automation to help you NOT require the GIB, so that YOU could concentrate on fighting, not on plinking pixels in your radar cursor and trying to keep the antenna centered ;)

If you cannot represent the philosophy that the plane was designed with, how are you going to represent the plane?

 

Makes you wonder then, if some modders were able to create a work around with relative easy, why ED hasnt implemented it.

[Teknetinium]

Everyone can do what ever they like. What Im afraid of is that some pilots will come whit excuses that they dont want to fly a squad match whit default files. In my opinion multiplayer competition should be resolved whit Default game. Big thank you to ED that they made this check possible!!!. I mention this every time in the beginning LUA and ERI discussions.

 

While Im on it, 51st PVO can be challenged at http://forum.51st.org/viewforum.php?f=6

Edited August 6, 2010 by Teknetinium

[GGTharos]

No, it doesn't make me wonder in the least. I know why they did not do it.

They did not want to include and possibly have to maintain code not written by them, which is a wise course of action for a developer too take; finally, they also had technical reasons for not including this solution (eg. controlling part of the avionics through lua is not 'clean' in terms of the rest of the code).

The reason they did not implement in the sim itself is because it was a) out of scope for them and b) they had already gone into overtime with work on FC2 ad simply could not afford to spend more time on it.

On the other hand, they worked quite closely with Yoda to provide him with everything he needed to be able to make it work.

 

And saying that it was 'relatively easy' is also a misreprentation. Yoda spend quite a bit of time developing ERI and before that, LRM.

 

Makes you wonder then, if some modders were able to create a work around with relative easy, why ED hasnt implemented it.

Edited August 6, 2010 by GGTharos

[Pilotasso]

Voted YES. As I had opportunity to say before but for sake of coherence in this thread Ill say it again:

 

I dont get it why so many say it increases F-15 advantage ignoring the fact the real f-15's do it, or because simply they are afraid to get a bruised ego online.

 

ERI is not magical, it doesnt "increase" the skill of the players. It does increase immersion.

For me, it doesnt change my tatcics it doesnt change my success rate, but it does increase fatigue, as I have alot more tasks to do. What happens is, that I play less time.

 

So I guess you need to master the F-15 in order to take advantage of it although, I have to admit, for someone who jumps on F-15 for the first time it might make it more friendly to learn it.

 

Further, to me its almost a contradition and a bit of hypocrisy to deliberatly leave it out, "balance the game", at the same time have R-77's on migs that actualy were never adopted in active service in russia's standard Mig-29's (let alone in Ukraine) but want "more realism".

 

I have yet see proof that ERI increases kill ratio, but let me make it clear, just ebcause it would, doesnt mean it should be cut out.

Edited August 6, 2010 by Pilotasso

[Toadster]

Well obviously GGTharos, someone pissed in your cornflakes this morning. If you feel the need to pick apart every sentence that I wrote (or everyone else for that matter), then that's your deal. I'm simply saying that's how "I" feel when I fly a virtual simulation. Of course I know that this simulation will never, ever be the real thing, but it's as close to flying as most people get. Thanks for given me some credit though.. much appreciated.:doh:

 

In real life, I am an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer, and I got my start in the CAF in 89 and started in the civilian industry in 96. I have personally worked on and flown in both the F-18 and the Alpha Jet. Does that make me an expert on realism? Heck no, but I can tell you from experience what positive and negative G's feel like, when the afterburner kicks in, and what it feels like to fly straight up, upside down and low level. Check out our company's website ( www.topaces.ca); I get to play with 16 civilian Alpha Jets and other aircraft that help train the Canadian Military elements for all kinds of scenarios.

 

You should listen to what some people say instead of pouncing on what they type. You don't have to be "that guy" that contradicts what everyone says.

 

Peace.

[Teknetinium]

Voted YES. As I had opportunity to say before but for sake of coherence in this thread Ill say it again:

 

I dont get it why so many say it increases F-15 advantage ignoring the fact the real f-15's do it, or because simply they are afraid to get a bruised ego online.

 

ERI is not magical, it doesnt "increase" the skill of the players. It does increase immersion.

For me, it doesnt change my tatcics it doesnt change my success rate, but it does increase fatigue, as I have alot more tasks to do. What happens is, that I play less time.

 

So I guess you need to master the F-15 in order to take advantage of it although, I have to admit, for someone who jumps on F-15 for the first time it might make it more friendly to learn it.

 

Further, to me its almost a contradition and a bit of hypocrisy to deliberatly leave it out, "balance the game", at the same time have R-77's on migs that actualy were never adopted in active service in russia's standard Mig-29's (let alone in Ukraine) but want "more realism".

 

I have yet see proof that ERI increases kill ratio, but let me make it clear, just ebcause it would, doesnt mean it should be cut out.

 

:)Mig-29 and su-27 have that feature to. Im not against it at all, now when I know this can be checked.

Why dont we have TWS shots :( in mig 29 and su-27 :) Now when the jammer cooling time is changed.

Edited August 6, 2010 by Teknetinium

[Pilotasso]

LO is already destroyed enough. I dont see dozens of my friends flying anymore since you bring your reality in 2.0 and those F15 crap. Noobs in F 15 are stronger then ever even they dont know primary things about flying. Community changed, and changed to worse. Personally i didnt enjoy single second flying after 2.0 showed. People in my squadron are not interested anymore, and to be honest I am so close to quit. Over and out.

 

Thats a lousy argument there gruya, sorry to say.

 

why is the community destroyed? ERI is not running on any server which leads me to beleive that the reason behind your vague comments is the missile adjustments instead. And your still flying russian planes only. Admit it thats your problem of having a bruised ego online. For once you cant complain maddogs anymore (nor scripts such as ERI and other home brew stuff). And that my friend easly made the worst part of lockon by far, but thats behind us. So if anything the community is changing for the better.

 

BTW I advise you to change your attitude torwards your fellow simmers please, who happen to fly F-15's and are all put on one bag. They are no less than you, nor disonest.

Edited August 6, 2010 by Pilotasso

[Aliboy]

Hi I know I do not have as much knowledge as you guys so I waited to listen to comments and I don't find anyone saying this is not realistic.So I will have to vote Yes..It's a easy decision because someone has spent his time making this mod providing some more realistic features for the F-15 then this is a good thing.

Edited August 6, 2010 by Aliboy

[Pilotasso]

:)Mig-29 and su-27 have that feature to. Im not against it at all, now when I know this can be checked.

Why dont we have TWS shots :( in mig 29 and su-27 :) Now when the jammer cooling time is changed.

 

Not the ones simulated in lockon. The Mig-29S that test carried the R-77 were of a modified batch consisting on only 12 planes...

 

Ask ED for Su-27SM or better. ;)

[Teknetinium]

Dont worry comrade I will be able to shot down F-16 whit Su-27S model.

[Kuky]

I want Su-27SM then just to have some guided A2G ordnance ;)

[141st_EagleTurk]

This is best pach..So thank Yoda and 104 server..

İm Wote YES

Edited August 6, 2010 by 141st_EagleTurk

[Pilotasso]

Dont worry comrade I will be able to shot down F-16 whit Su-27S model.

 

A little provocation there :P but if you ask me, if ED could squeeze an F-16 and Su-27SM or 35 in DCS then by all means I would support this 100%.

[Sov13t]

Not the ones simulated in lockon. The Mig-29S that test carried the R-77 were of a modified batch consisting on only 12 planes...

 

Ask ED for Su-27SM or better. ;)

 

Enough with R-77 BS! The missile went through the full cycle of military tests and was adopted by the military. The fall of Soviet Union caused it's deployment to halt. As far as quantity of airplanes... How many KA-50s are there in the world???

 

The R-77 will never be deployed in the Russian Air Force as it is outdated, and there is no point to restore production. So please, enough with going off topic and bringing up 77s every chance you get.

[Pilotasso]

Few KA-50s were ever built however and unlikely the case of the modified Mig-29's the helicopters were indeed brought to service and used on a regular basis.

 

Also I dont see why it is so bad to speak it just because its inconvenient to remind you of these facts. I would love to see double stantards among players mitigated.

[Sov13t]

Few KA-50s were ever built however and unlikely the case of the modified Mig-29's the helicopters were indeed brought to service and used on a regular basis.

 

Also I dont see why it is so bad to speak it just because its inconvenient to remind you of these facts. I would love to see double stantards among players mitigated.

 

There is a plethora of other factors that significantly handicap both Russian and US aircraft, and here you are bringing up the fact that the 77 is not deployed. Don't want it? Restrict it. You are trying to use it as an excuse to push through other modifications to the game, that is why it is rather irritating. Double standards eh?

[Boberro]

LO is already destroyed enough. I dont see dozens of my friends flying anymore since you bring your reality in 2.0 and those F15 crap. Noobs in F 15 are stronger then ever even they dont know primary things about flying. Community changed, and changed to worse. Personally i didnt enjoy single second flying after 2.0 showed. People in my squadron are not interested anymore, and to be honest I am so close to quit. Over and out.

 

:lol::megalol: :)

 

Oh and as far as realism... leave that to DCS. Or there is a billion other things that can be brought up about how unrealistic and absolutely retarded they are on any airframe.

 

Gathering few planes in DCS is going to take long years. Why don't include real feature now ;]

[Pilotasso]

There is a plethora of other factors that significantly handicap both Russian and US aircraft, and here you are bringing up the fact that the 77 is not deployed. Don't want it? Restrict it. You are trying to use it as an excuse to push through other modifications to the game, that is why it is rather irritating. Double standards eh?

 

Im not saying people NOT to use it. Im trying to confront people with double standards and contraditions. Dont make this look like what it isnt. Because then you will be talking alone about it.

Edited August 6, 2010 by Pilotasso

[Sov13t]

Gathering few planes in DCS is going to take long years. Why don't include real feature now ;]

 

Go ahead. But do not force it on everyone. Your server, your rules.

 

Im not saying people NOT to use it. Im trying to confront people with double standards and contraditions. Dont make this look like what it isnt. Because then you will be talking alone about it.

 

Apologies, I misunderstood where you were going with it.

[141st_Eko1]

My Vote is NO!

That mod unfairness to russian plane.:mad: