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[jctrnacty]

You are correct. I like BS but being from Canada I just couldn't get into the Russian helo; no offence, but I'm use to American/Canadian built equipment, so I'm very eager to try the A10.

 

Although i think its ridiculous to prefer one over another because what we get is precious work from ED, my prediction is that next aircraft will be russian A-A to please all russian fans.

 

Or there is probability that they will split the team in two , one works on US aircraft and other on russian.

[Sticky]

Although i think its ridiculous to prefer one over another because what we get is precious work from ED, my prediction is that next aircraft will be russian A-A to please all russian fans.

 

Or there is probability that they will split the team in two , one works on US aircraft and other on russian.

 

Its not ridiculous if you prefer one type of cockpit to fly in over the other. Its not at all about nationality, since im neither american or russian. I used to admire the russian planes very much, but now after flying so much russian planes after all these ED sims with russian planes I have lost some respect and I can say I MUCH prefer western type modern cockpits and weapon systems. I agree, its all precious work from ED yes, but if we get for example Su25 again then I will keep to the A10C because I just dont like those types of cockpits. I think they suck TBH. And we wont get a modern russian cockpit since they are so new ED doesnt have all the info required to make one. Just my opinion :)

[BoneDust]

Its not ridiculous if you prefer one type of cockpit to fly in over the other. Its not at all about nationality, since im neither american or russian. I used to admire the russian planes very much, but now after flying so much russian planes after all these ED sims with russian planes I have lost some respect and I can say I MUCH prefer western type modern cockpits and weapon systems. I agree, its all precious work from ED yes, but if we get for example Su25 again then I will keep to the A10C because I just dont like those types of cockpits. I think they suck TBH. And we wont get a modern russian cockpit since they are so new ED doesnt have all the info required to make one. Just my opinion :)

 

Very good post dude. I should have specified that it is not a nationality issue for me it is rather a geographical issue and what I am use too. Now if you want to give me a good bottle of Russian vodka I'm all for it ;)

[Grimes]

Nothing mentioned on the website either:

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/category/magazine/latest-issue/

 

I'm guessing its in the back where they have different columns regarding FPS, RTS, RPG, and sims. Besides all of the games mentioned are massively bigger than little ol' DCS:A10

[Sticky]

Very good post dude. I should have specified that it is not a nationality issue for me it is rather a geographical issue and what I am use too. Now if you want to give me a good bottle of Russian vodka I'm all for it ;)

 

:drink:

[104th_Crunch]

The article is the first 1/4 of the mag under previews. Make no mistake, Andy raves about A10C and is looking forward to it. He mentions liking US hardware (with tongue in cheek) , but you will also notice under his playlist, he plays Blackshark.

[Steel Jaw]

What month is this issue? Sept or Oct?

[CrashEd]

What month is this issue? Sept or Oct?

 

Mower, it looks like it is the Nov issue (206), as one of the guys mentioned that it was the issue with Bismark clocking Washington on the cover.

 

http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/09/1110_PCG_CVR-evensmaller.jpg

 

I'm only using my awsome powers of deduction ;) , so don't take this as red :D

 

Can anyone confirm this?

[Steel Jaw]

K thanx CrashEd. Dont usually buy this mag anymore.

[CrashEd]

No worries mate :thumbup:

 

Let me know if it's worth a read.

[CrashEd]

Can't: I aint tossing my $$ out on that.

 

I'll watch for it on the torrents...not there yet.

 

lol! I may end up doing the same.

[Succellus]

I don t understand much this kind of remarks, like Russian equipment sucks, USA, english (whatever) don t. Especially form a LO/FC perspective.

I m not Russian nor american. But its really a lack of knowledge to say Russian hardware sucks, American don t.

Especially because we have no way to compare in the example given, The A 10 and the SU 25 are ligh sim, all planes are oversimplified.

The SU 25T could be a medium sim, but we dont have the counterpart from the west. So whats the base ? Even then the A10 portrayed is more recent in timeline than the SU 25 portrayed.

 

I find such comparation quite unsettling.

 

If you find american hardware so impresive know then that in 2008 red flag, american defense didn t detect F5 Tigers and Mig 21 Bisons because of their sizes and where tagged down by below not even knowing what was happening... In another train, maybe 5 years ago, British harrier II won 5 to 2 against F15 ?

 

All countries spray much myth about their hardware which is normal, after all, war is bussiness.

 

People that couldn t got into russian Helo should ask themselves if th problem is the hello or the country..

I can t get into BS also, but its because its a helo, no matter if its rusian or not.

[Steel Jaw]

We have to be intellectually honest and admit that Western technological prowess GENERALLY trumps Russian. Any other statement is denial.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I don t understand much this kind of remarks, like Russian equipment sucks, USA, english (whatever) don t. Especially form a LO/FC perspective.

I m not Russian nor american. But its really a lack of knowledge to say Russian hardware sucks, American don t.

Especially because we have no way to compare in the example given, The A 10 and the SU 25 are ligh sim, all planes are oversimplified.

The SU 25T could be a medium sim, but we dont have the counterpart from the west. So whats the base ? Even then the A10 portrayed is more recent in timeline than the SU 25 portrayed.

 

I find such comparation quite unsettling.

 

If you find american hardware so impresive know then that in 2008 red flag, american defense didn t detect F5 Tigers and Mig 21 Bisons because of their sizes and where tagged down by below not even knowing what was happening... In another train, maybe 5 years ago, British harrier II won 5 to 2 against F15 ?

 

All countries spray much myth about their hardware which is normal, after all, war is bussiness.

 

People that couldn t got into russian Helo should ask themselves if th problem is the hello or the country..

I can t get into BS also, but its because its a helo, no matter if its rusian or not.

 

The Americans, as Mower says, do indeed have the best kit.

 

British flown Harriers have embarrassed the USAF, but that doesn't mean the Harrier is better, it's just a different philosophy. The RAF doesn't have many planes, so the few they do have to be flown by extremely well trained pilots.

 

The American's training might not be as good, but that doesn't matter because they've got huge numbers of top notch aircraft with ok pilots and the logistics to back it all up.

[Sticky]

If it sucks it sucks. Is there some law of nature that says that something cant suck because it was made in russia?

 

And besides I didnt say russian hardware sucks anyway, I said IN MY OPINION those kind of cockpits suck, please read again, and if you dont understand then perhaps a few more english lessions are needed. I have respect for the fact that english isnt your first language, it isnt mine either, but if you are gonna make a post based on someone elses post you have the responsibility to make sure you understand it first.

 

About russian airplanes, I admire their beauty, sometimes I compare them to a stereotypical hot blonde: very pretty, a body to die for, but easily fooled and goes down easy ;) This is just a joke ofc, and based on ugly and totally wrong steroetypes, but yeah I prefer a more "smart" airplane to take into combat when I sim especially the cockpit, sensors and weapon systems.

[Steel Jaw]

Well one statement is FACT: Russian combat jet avionics are way behaind the technology curve with the plethora of steam guages and the RWRs are hideously unuselful.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Mower
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[159th_Viper]

......but yeah I prefer a more "smart" airplane to take into combat when I sim especially the cockpit, sensors and weapon systems.

 

Watch out for those peky wee viruses..........Might need an angle-grinder and some firefighters at R.T.B. :P

 

[Succellus]

The Americans, as Mower says, do indeed have the best kit.

 

British flown Harriers have embarrassed the USAF, but that doesn't mean the Harrier is better, it's just a different philosophy. The RAF doesn't have many planes, so the few they do have to be flown by extremely well trained pilots.

 

The American's training might not be as good, but that doesn't matter because they've got huge numbers of top notch aircraft with ok pilots and the logistics to back it all up.

 

To say such, is ignoring the fact that during the Indian process of acquirement of new vectors, the MK30 just trampled the f16 in all accounts....

American hardware is better, certainly yes if you include stheath, if not, its probably a tie, of even as the past has shown a slight loss.

And this advantage with the flight of the PAK FA is challenged, or at least begin to be.

 

The good part of this for us in 3rd rate country, is the fact that 4++ vectors will have their prices dropped.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Succellus

[Succellus]

Well one statement is FACT: Russian combat jet avionics are way behaind the technology curve with the pelthora of steam guages and the RWRs are hideously unuselful.

 

Your ignorance on actual russian cocpits, is awesomely impressive. sorry to say so.

[Steel Jaw]

Your ignorance on actual russian cocpits, is awesomely impressive. sorry to say so.

 

Do elaborate. What information do you present to the contrary?

[Steel Jaw]

Well you're taking too long bud, got to go.

[Succellus]

Do elaborate. What information do you present to the contrary?

 

SU 35 Operacional Cockpit

 

Crap, image don t paste ! I m at work, so here s the complicated research you have to do:

 

Open brownser

Call googgle

insert the following sentence:

su 35 cockpit

 

You will be able to fill your gap with pictures movies and etc...

 

Due to CCCP bankrupcy indeed there was a huge gap between eastern and western vectors, but this ain t true anymore. At least on the shiny surface of the CMFD.

You can even find SU 37 and pakfa cockpit, the later not yet operacional of course.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Succellus

[Sticky]

Yeah looks great, they are catching up. I would love to fly the Su35 and in that cockpit :D If you see my post page 3 I wrote that it isnt very likely we will see this as a DCS module soon. I hope I am wrong about that.

[Succellus]

The Americans, as Mower says, do indeed have the best kit.

 

British flown Harriers have embarrassed the USAF, but that doesn't mean the Harrier is better, it's just a different philosophy. The RAF doesn't have many planes, so the few they do have to be flown by extremely well trained pilots.

 

The American's training might not be as good, but that doesn't matter because they've got huge numbers of top notch aircraft with ok pilots and the logistics to back it all up.

 

The filosophy is irrelevent when the pilot is dead or have to eject, combat ain t about filosofy but about whoever survive.

Try to argue with Plato when a MK20 is coming...

Or throw Decarte, Socrates, Weber by the window to try to spoof an archer.

[Sticky]

You talk about survival.... Bad SA will get you killed. That is NOT "irrelevant". Think before you post plz!!! Thanks..