Maverick Questions

[ESzczesniak]

There was a long thread about maverick employement that had been on this board and now seems to be gone. I had comeback this morning hoping to read up on any new information as it seemed quite active. I don't mean to stir up issues, but what happened to it? Did it degenerate over the last day or has it been moved/merged somewhere? Again, not trying to stir things up if it went the route of the former, just wanted to know where all the information was if it's still around.

[RogueRunner]

Think it now lives in the open beta forum, check there!

[ESzczesniak]

Think it now lives in the open beta forum, check there!

 

I'll have to look harder. I took a quick look under the general questions and the avionics and weapons subforums and saw nothing there. Thanks though.

[RogueRunner]

It's most prob merged with an existing thread so could be hard to find. Try the search function but alas that gives me about a 50% hit ratio on things I know is there someplace.

[badaboom]

THX,I was looking also!!

Cheers!!

[Bulletstop]

I even tried to find it under the author. I wondered why it does not show up.

 

 

Bullet

[Tangolima600]

bump

[Sarge55]

I was looking for it as well. Search turned up nothing. I think it was Nate -RL- who put up a recommended procedure that worked. Should have copied it down then.

[Tangolima600]

I remember a thread about not being able to lock to a target until you're really close (for me, less than 2NM). I would lock a target/make SPI with the TGP, slave the mav to it, cross is on target, but i get a launch inhibit error when trying to launch until i repeatedly try to track it when mav is soi and im less than a couple NM from target. Now this was in instant action and i believe I was using the IR Mav, not sure if that makes a difference.

[Sarge55]

Thanks Kingsnake. But I recall after the China Hat step having to also redsignated, TMS Fwd Long then very quickly followed by TMS Fwd Short to track.(While in MAV) Not having to slew slightly to lock. Although I'll give that a try for sure.

[Bulletstop]

It is a bug that is known. it should be slave all to spi, then redisgnate mav, tms up long and imediately tms fwd short and it should lock. I really am bothered it is gone, good info in that thread.

 

 

Bullet

[David A Sell]

Ok Im missing something here... Been tryin to get these MAVS working and I'm doing all the steps above but getting an error on my mfd NO TRACK LAUNCH IHBT, and mav never locks up.. What am I missing?

[Arclight]

A lock. :P

 

2 ways to get it: slew the cursor on the target and release. Can be easier to line up with the target, slew the crosshair below it and let it drift onto the target (before it goes to break lock mode, so not too far below it)

 

Or, get an optical Mav (H&K) and use force correlate. With Mav as SOI, use 'boat switch forw' to ake the crosshairs black, and then set boat switch center again. The crosshairs will stay black for a moment but turn white after about a second. Mav is now in force correlate mode. Slew it anywhere on the ground and it will lock there, regardless of what's beneath the cursor. Crosshairs will become solid (no gap in center) to indicate force correlate lock.

 

Second takes some practice and low slew rate to get it on a target, but by far gives you longest range.

 

 

 

There is the third way as described, after slaving to SPI: tms forw long, quickly followed by tms forw short, but I don't have any luck with that. Most of the time when it does work, the Mav seems to miss anyway. Given up on that method untill the 'redesignate SPI with Mav' (tms forw long) bug is fixed.

Edited October 19, 2010 by Arclight

[26-J39]

Ok Im missing something here... Been tryin to get these MAVS working and I'm doing all the steps above but getting an error on my mfd NO TRACK LAUNCH IHBT, and mav never locks up.. What am I missing?

 

Select the DSMS profile of your Mav's, or simply click the Mav station on the DSMS page.. The Mav need to be selected for it to be powered.

[David A Sell]

Ok... so use the described method to get the mav. On target then switch to mav and use seeker head to attain lock? Easy enough but the range seems so short to be. What should we be expecting in terms of range? Perhaps I will play with the force corrolate. And yes I had selected the mav in the dtms. Thanla

[RogueRunner]

I've had locks, launch and hits using the TGP, SPI mode at +- 5nm but I cannot do it consistantly, ie the last three missions I tried I could not get a track lock to launch as well. Eagerly awaiting the next BETA where, hopefully this was adressed.

[26-J39]

I usually attain a lock at about 6nm without a problem. Remember when slaving all to SPI the Mav seeker "appears" to be locked but its not, it's simply looking at the SPI.. TMS Fwd Long to set SPI with Mav then immediately press TMS Fwd Short to get the Mav to track the target.

 

Edit: Good tip before "TMS Fwd Long to set SPI with Mav", look at the bottom left corner of the HUD. It will show you what the SPI has been designated with... When you go to re-designate SPI with Mav look at this in the HUD, as soon as "MAV" pops up u know to TMS Fwd Short ASAP. In essence after re-designating the SPI with Mav the seeker will wander hence the IMMEDIATE TMS Fwd Short afterwards to track target.

Edited October 19, 2010 by 26-J39

[RogueRunner]

Question about SPI. When you do a TMS FWD LONG with the TGP as SOI, is there some kind of indication that your SPI changed or is now in fact designated?

[26-J39]

Yes, see my edit above.

[dave4002000]

Easy enough but the range seems so short to be. What should we be expecting in terms of range?

 

Everyone needs to remember that the mavericks are now modeled correctly and very close to real life performances. We are all used to the stupidly long range locking capabilities in other sims (which is unrealistic).

 

If mavs had that long of a range, A-10's would be used as a SEAD platform instead of CAS. ;)

 

I get these mavs to lock at 5-7nm all day long. You can't expect them to lock something they can barely see over 10nm away.

 

Set TGP as SOI

Point track target with TGP (TMS FWD Short)

Designate SPI (TWS FWD Long)

Switch to mav display

Slave mav to SPI

Narrow FOV

Redesignate SPI

 

Then, as soon as you let go of TMS FWD Long, immediately press TMS FWD Short to lock.

 

I will redesignate SPI with the mav from about 10-15nm out (if i have the time and space)

I will wait until about 5-7nm before i try to lock.

 

If i hit TMS FWD Short and the mav doesn't lock. I will immediately switch back to TGP and start the targeting all over again. I don't play around with trying to slew the mav back onto the target, unless i happen to be running in with an extremely smooth approach.

 

Sometimes i'll miss the lock at 7-8nm and by the time i run through the steps again i'm at 4-5nm..which is plenty of time to launch the missile and break away.

Edited October 19, 2010 by dave4002000

[David A Sell]

Sheesh, I dunno, doing everything to the letter and cant get it to work.. Guess I'll wait for next beta and see if its better, gettin locks at 3 NM is gonna get me killed :)

[Arclight]

I will wait until about 5-7nm before i try to lock.

That's pretty critical. It won't lock if the seeker can't track it. It's more reliable than slewing on target, but still doesn't offer maximum range.

 

Alternatively force correlate lock for H&K let's you lock from any distance, allowing you to fire at the edge of your range. You'll definetly want to use that if you're planning to engage a SAM.

[nemises]

...are you sure the Mav needs to be set as SPI ?...it has to be SOI sure, so you can slew it, but SPI can remain TGP afaik..

[Sticky]

...are you sure the Mav needs to be set as SPI ?...it has to be SOI sure, so you can slew it, but SPI can remain TGP afaik..

 

In the version WE have (open beta, non ED testers) we have to do that step, unless we want to just slew it manually. Hopefully next version will be something more like what Im guessing you guys have.

[Bulletstop]

Nate posted that was how it should be done in our current build.He also said it maybe a bug or is a bug. To be honest I do not do that, I slave it and hit tms fwd short and it tracks. Wait a second or two slew off then back on and I usually get a lock. I wish we had that thread to confirm.

 

 

Bullet