Slayer Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Good question, I'm wondering this also. The MFD's power off their lighting but the WH throttle does not. Maybee engineer A at TM needs to go ask engineer B how he made it so the lights power down when the PC does. I'd suspect a firmware update will correct this issue [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
Succellus Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I don t have the hotas but as explained in the thread there are always supplied USB plugs and powered only when the computer is on plugs. So try all your plugs, and fiddle with the wake on something on your bios. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Slayer Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 If I enter the BIOS setup the light on the WH throttle will go off on my system. They then turn back on after windows loads. I suspect windows is not sending the proper power state (S0 I think) to the device to power off therfore it always remains on. It may be a windows or device or BIOS issue or a combination of problems. I did a bit of research on how the USB standby power etc works and it shouldn't matter at all which port it is plugged into. I tinkered with some power settings in the BIOS but no result. Another note: First time I plugged in the throttle the light did not turn on immediately, they turned on after Windows loaded and never shutoff. Entering the BIOS returns the hardware to the proper state of off so it's a good bet that Windows not sending the proper command at shutdown is the issue. Also a warning: Do not ever turn off ACPI or you will totally screw up your Windows install. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
Check6 Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Good question, I'm wondering this also. The MFD's power off their lighting but the WH throttle does not. Maybee engineer A at TM needs to go ask engineer B how he made it so the lights power down when the PC does. I'd suspect a firmware update will correct this issue They must be using Mil engineers! A never has a clue what B did! I have never flown anything in my 13 years in the Air Force that made sense, never apples to apples. Never fly the "A" model of anything! Rolex
Succellus Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 . Never fly the "A" model of anything! Rolex Especially if it has a "A" model of an ejection seat. @ Slayer... Windows control the power off and on of the USB ? when the PC os OFF ? My forst urge is to say NO WAY, but i can t subestimate human capacity. It may be a BIOS problem. As you say when you enter the bios the status are refreshed and it act like a factory default, while you are in it. Then it follow the orders as per setting. But if the setting are screwed... Maybe a BIOS update would correct the problem (If anyone ever complained about this problem). HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Callsign.Vega Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I don t have the hotas but as explained in the thread there are always supplied USB plugs and powered only when the computer is on plugs. So try all your plugs, and fiddle with the wake on something on your bios. Hmm where did you reference such an idea? How do USB hubs work into that? I have my Logitech G13 plugged into the same USB hub as my Warthog. If I turn off my computer the G13 powers down but the Warthog Throttle does not. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
Callsign.Vega Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 dp GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
coolts Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 WH throttle power issues wil be sorted with a firmware flash if anything. I have plugged mine into the hub on my monitor so i just switch the monitor off and hey presto,no more xnas lights. the 5 lights on the top are most ikely a POST. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 9700k | 32gb DDR4 | Geforce 2080ti | TrackIR 5 | Rift S | HOTAS WARTHOG | CH PRO Pedals
Nightcargo Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 The 5 LEDs are not on on my Hog. Asus Rampage II i7 920 @ 3.8 EVGA580GTX 6G Corsair WinVista64 Hog
Loz Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 The 5 LEDs are not on on my Hog. Yea mine are not when everything is working, but I've got into the habit of unplugging the Throttle when I shut down. When I plug in again and after starting, the 5 greens do come on until windows boots. i9 9900x at 5.1 Ghz // ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula EK Bloc // 64Gb Corsair Vengence 3600Mhz DDR4 Ram // Gigabyte Aorus 3090 Watercooled block//Samsung SM951 M2 x4 SSD // Windows 10 64 Bit //48inch LG48 @ 3840x2160 120Hz//Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ 3440 x 14440 144Hz // TM Warthog HOTAS (Ser. No. 00836) //MFG Crosswind Pedals // TrackIR 5 //Varjo Aero An old pilot is one who remembers when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. My YouTube DCS World Four Screen Videos
Succellus Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Hmm where did you reference such an idea? How do USB hubs work into that? I have my Logitech G13 plugged into the same USB hub as my Warthog. If I turn off my computer the G13 powers down but the Warthog Throttle does not. Read the thread, read MBs Manual.:noexpression: HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Slayer Posted November 11, 2010 Posted November 11, 2010 Especially if it has a "A" model of an ejection seat. @ Slayer... Windows control the power off and on of the USB ? when the PC os OFF ? My forst urge is to say NO WAY, but i can t subestimate human capacity. It may be a BIOS problem. As you say when you enter the bios the status are refreshed and it act like a factory default, while you are in it. Then it follow the orders as per setting. But if the setting are screwed... Maybe a BIOS update would correct the problem (If anyone ever complained about this problem). Reread what I said. I never said Windows can control power when the PC is shut down...USB ports have standby power but if the command is never sent to put the device into a low power state when windows shuts down it will remain it it's last state which is ON. If you unplug the USB cord then plug it back in when the PC is already shut down the lights will go off and stay off. I wonder what will happen if I unplug/ replug it with PC off to shut the lights off then boot into safe mode.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
Callsign.Vega Posted November 11, 2010 Posted November 11, 2010 Read the thread, read MBs Manual.:noexpression: That is of no help. I have read the thread and random speculation doesn't equal a solution. Changing USB ports, de-selecting wake on mouse/keyboard in BIOS etc does nothing. Throttle stays in powered up mode when PC is turned off or put to sleep even though every single other USB device goes into standby as they should. Sounds like TM can only fix this with a firmware upgrade. The only way possible to get my throttle to power off is to constantly unplug it when not in use. Seems like a pretty basic design oversight. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
Succellus Posted November 11, 2010 Posted November 11, 2010 Ok.. Im beated. But i find surprising the hardware is able to bypass shut down orders and keep power for itself, well, i shouldn t. Looks like an old superman movie. Next step of warthog would be using us as battery is the power is shut down ?:P HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Daniel Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 Today I have assembled my new PC and noticed that the LED on my external Western Digital (USB powered) hard disk was on even with power off. It never happened with my old PC...then this thread about LEDs came to mind. I solved the problem enabling the "EuP Ready" field in my Asus MB BIOS. It switches off the Wake On USB function, Wake On LAN, etc. I don't know if this can be the solution for the WH also, because i connected mine only when i solved the problem with my HD LED and the USB ports were not powered anymore. Well, try with the Eup or Wake On USB fields and see what happens, good luck! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit - CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K - MB: Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero - RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB DDR4 3200 - GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX2080ti Controllers: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals Head tracking: FaceTrackNOIR+FreeTrack 3 Points Cap VR headset: VALVE Index
Slammin Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 I like to resume from standby by touching a key on my keyboard, so that is not an option for me. It's pretty obvious that TM needs to fix this themselves, not us. They should hurry too because I really do think folks constantly pugging in and unplugging their throttles is not a good thing and probably causing failures. Abit IN9 32x MAX- Kentsfield QX6700 @3520 1.5 vcore watercooled D-Tek Fuzion/PA-160/MCR120/2x MCP655 2x2GB G-Skill 1066 5-5-5-15 2T@1.9vdimm 2x EVGA 580GTX 1.5GB SLI 2x 74GB Sata Raptor Raid0 2x 320GB Hitachi Sata II X-FI Elite Pro Dell U3011 Lian Li V2100B Corsair HX1000
Teej Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 OK...since I've commented before on the fact that my throttle lights shut off...I did a bit more putzing today and stumbled across this little tidbit... My throttle shuts down when the computer does (or goes to S3 sleep)....but only when plugged into a USB3 port. It doesn't go dark when the keyboard/mouse do (plugged into USB2 ports)...but only when the system actually "shuts off" (fans quit). This is usually several seconds after the KB/mouse go dark. Plugged into USB2, it stays lit like the holiday lights. "Tank! I need a program for a TM Warthog!" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Thermaltake V9 SECC case | Corsair RM750 PSU | Asus ROG Ranger VIII | Intel i7 6700K | 16GB 3000mhz RAM | EVGA GTX 980Ti FTW | TrackIR 4 w/ pro clip | TM HOTAS Warthog | TM MFD Cougar Pack | Win 10 x64 |
Midwestboi Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 ... I really do think folks constantly pugging in and unplugging their throttles is not a good thing and probably causing failures. Actually, it is my understanding that more people who are not unplugging their throttles are the ones having the problem. There is some "speculation" of some type of power surge when the system starts after being shutdown with the throttles still plugged in. Take that for what it's worth... but once I get my TM Warthog- I will definitely be unplugging it. Thankfully, I have four USB ports on the front of my system. :thumbup: SYSTEM: ASUS P8Z77-V // Intel i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4Ghz o.c. 4.4Ghz // 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 PC2133 9-11-10-28 // MSI 570GTX Twin Frozr 1.25GB PCI-E 2.0 x16 // Win7 64-bit Home Premium ~~ DISPLAY: Sanyo 42" HDTV@1900x1080 ~~ DRIVES: Intel 330 series 60G Maple Crest SSD SATA III // WD 4000AAKS 400GB SATA II // WD Scorpio (laptop drive) 320GB SATA II ~~ CASE: AZZA Hurrican 2000 Full Tower // Cooler Master 750W P.S.
ZaltysZ Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 It is common for USB to supply power when PC is off. However, devices, whose do not need it, should enter a low power state on computer shutdown. Obviously WT does not do that or it thinks that "lights on" belongs to low power state. Thrustmaster should be pushed to fix that, although their are already working on it in some way. I just hope, that their upcoming back lightning control function won't require a script to be running. :) Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
Succellus Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Well it makes each time more sense that TM is affected by some POWER issue. Probably a weak component, or a defective/more sensible patch of one component. If that is the case i really would prefer to send the mobbo instead of the full brick. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
BKLronin Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 My n52te is also staying lit. This nice blue leds next to the Warthog, i like that but not all night long. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Midwestboi Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Has anyone heard of people having problems with the throttle AFTER they get a replacement back from TM? I'm just wondering if TM is aware of what the problem is- has a fix for it- but is quietly handling it in-house instead of making it public- like MS tried to do with the XBOX 360 a couple of years ago. Obviously if people are getting replaced units back from them and not having any further problems- then TM knows what the problem is. SYSTEM: ASUS P8Z77-V // Intel i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4Ghz o.c. 4.4Ghz // 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 PC2133 9-11-10-28 // MSI 570GTX Twin Frozr 1.25GB PCI-E 2.0 x16 // Win7 64-bit Home Premium ~~ DISPLAY: Sanyo 42" HDTV@1900x1080 ~~ DRIVES: Intel 330 series 60G Maple Crest SSD SATA III // WD 4000AAKS 400GB SATA II // WD Scorpio (laptop drive) 320GB SATA II ~~ CASE: AZZA Hurrican 2000 Full Tower // Cooler Master 750W P.S.
Teej Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) Actually, it is my understanding that more people who are not unplugging their throttles are the ones having the problem. There is some "speculation" of some type of power surge when the system starts after being shutdown with the throttles still plugged in. Take that for what it's worth... but once I get my TM Warthog- I will definitely be unplugging it. Thankfully, I have four USB ports on the front of my system. :thumbup: I don't think you can narrow it down like that. There are hundreds, if not thousands hooked up to a variety of motherboards and we only know of somewhere around 10 people, give or take a few, who have had problems. You name the situation and I've done it to mine...unplugged, plugged, PC off, PC on, USB hub, motherboard port, USB2, USB3...mine's seen it all. Some have had problems, but I don't think there's any actual indication what makes the problem more likely/less likely...and there's certainly no evidence of anything guaranteed to make it fail or not fail. Fly it. Have fun. If there's a problem, they'll take care of you. Edited December 28, 2010 by Teej "Tank! I need a program for a TM Warthog!" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Thermaltake V9 SECC case | Corsair RM750 PSU | Asus ROG Ranger VIII | Intel i7 6700K | 16GB 3000mhz RAM | EVGA GTX 980Ti FTW | TrackIR 4 w/ pro clip | TM HOTAS Warthog | TM MFD Cougar Pack | Win 10 x64 |
Teej Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 It is common for USB to supply power when PC is off. Yes. My Droid will keep charging in S3 state. Plugging it in or unplugging it will pop the computer out of S3 also. Gotta see if I can change that. "Tank! I need a program for a TM Warthog!" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Thermaltake V9 SECC case | Corsair RM750 PSU | Asus ROG Ranger VIII | Intel i7 6700K | 16GB 3000mhz RAM | EVGA GTX 980Ti FTW | TrackIR 4 w/ pro clip | TM HOTAS Warthog | TM MFD Cougar Pack | Win 10 x64 |
TwoLate Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Has anyone heard of people having problems with the throttle AFTER they get a replacement back from TM? I'm just wondering if TM is aware of what the problem is- has a fix for it- but is quietly handling it in-house instead of making it public- like MS tried to do with the XBOX 360 a couple of years ago. Obviously if people are getting replaced units back from them and not having any further problems- then TM knows what the problem is. After I got my brick throttle returned, TM sent me a new one. They could not fixed mine. That told me that an electrical component most likely went bad. With the first throttle I left it on all the time. Now with new one when computer completly shuts down i unplugg the throttle and joystick. I plug it back on when I want to run the sim. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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