Medicinal herbs across entire European Union will be banned 1-Apr-2011 - no joke

[Shaman]

Pharmaceutical lobby is trying to ban use of medicinal herbs across entire European Union. :banned:

 

Ban is planned on 1-Apr-2011 and this is not April Fools' Day joke!

 

Behavior of Pharmaceutical lobby is determined by maximizing profit. Human health is their secondary objective, it is not necessarily their main goal.

 

Pharma-establishment has been trying to patent natural plants and in most cases failed, since they can't patent life, treasure of nature and all humankind.

 

Now they pull bigger cannon - prohibition under penalty of taking away our freedom! :director:

 

EU and our lives does not belong to corporations. We decide! Please support the petition that will be forwarded to European Parliament.

 

Keep your comments full of wisdom and be polite.

 

:protest: :protest: :protest: :protest:

 

http://www.gopetition.com/petition/39757.html

Edited November 1, 2010 by Shaman

[jazjar]

The is the problem with pharmaceuticals lies in their profits. what do they come from, you ask? people getting sick. See, if they actually put effort into developing more life-saving drugs, then their profits would Be REDUCED( not disappear ), but more lives would be saved. I personally am from the states, but I still think the system in place around the world is not doing enough to help its own species.

[jpm1]

Europe is very strict about liberty privation , if there's a risk even little they won't make the law :thumbup:

[jazjar]

amen to that!

[ilikepie]

drug companies have a lot to answer for......hope they get slammed!

[allesok]

Call for society

 

I would like to draw attention for this call for funding a Society for Preservation of Natural Ways of Healing: http://www.christian-reincarnation.com... Please pass this on to spread the message!

[garengarch]

sigh

 

 

edit: oops is this allowed in chit-chat?

[allesok]

Pharmaceutical lobby is trying to ban use of medicinal herbs across entire European Union. :banned:

"Behavior of Pharmaceutical lobby is determined by maximizing profit. Human health is their secondary objective, it is not necessarily their main goal."

 

Human health is not a secondary objective, but the main objective! It is their gold mine!

 

They profit from unhealthiness and, therefore, want us to have a bad health so that we should swallow their junk and have their needles stuck into us!

 

And they don't want us to be cured, because then they loose us as clients. The ideal is to be unhealthy as long as you live and take their pills to suppress your symptoms and believe that you are healthy ...

 

Therefore they fight any cure that really helps. Suppressed unhealthiness is what they want in order to keep their turnover.

[sungsam]

A.S+ , I was expecting for someone to say these things. you have my salutes ! +1

[allesok]

Sorry, something went wrong above! I wanted to draw the attention to http://www.christian-reincarnation.com/Society.htm and hope it will work this time.

It is a suggestion to found a Society for Preservation of Knowledge About Natural Healing.

And I do hope that the link will be right this time. If it again points to the start page, go to "English" and then find the file above.

It is my hope that this message will be spread and that someone will pick the idea up and make something from it.I myself is as a retired pensioner not well in the position to do it.

[allesok]

sigh

 

 

edit: oops is this allowed in chit-chat?

 

See my last post above. The link had become wrong...

[Boberro]

Medicine corporations want money. They will do anything what is officially legal and things which are illegal or depraved to get more and more.

 

Looking at things from time perspective I could believe and more and more often I believe they could heal people from cancer, AIDS ect if they wanted to. But it will stop profits to come.... what about weird diseases which we recently have? Suddenly there is somewhere disease and in short time new precious vaccines are ready to sell. They scared the governments to buy vaccines. Many of them had bought them and later they were forced to sell all.

Poland didn't buy vaccines. Health Minister knew it was only to get money from governments. I think it was right decision and hope Meds Corp will be highly watched by people.

Edited January 9, 2011 by Boberro

[joey45]

Those with money have power.

[Lixma 06]

The Tin-Foil-Hat Brigade are out in force, I see.

 

Under the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive, a company needs to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of the herbal medicine

How cruel!

 

The reason the 'Earth-Goddess' types are up in arms about this is because under any strictly controlled study their 'medicines' are repeatedly shown to be no better than placebo.....and a lot more expensive.

 

These peddlers of crap (homeopathy, traditional, herbal etc, etc) thus have no option to cry "Help, help we're being oppressed!" when in fact they are just being held to the same standard as everyone else....i.e those giant, evil Pharmaceutical companies.

 

Couldn't happen soon enough, I say. If you want to market your wares as 'medicine' then you need to prove it works.

 

P.S. A question for the Big-Pharma conspiracy-theory space cadets.....If crap like homeopathy really works then why aren't the big, evil Pharma companies selling it?

 

:ufo:

[X-man]

+1

 

Pharmaceutical companies might be evil, but it's the drive for profit that assures us that their stuff work. They are only interested in developing stuff which passes the standards which are set.

 

So it's only right that these traditional herbal products is put up to the same standard!

[allesok]

“If you want to market your wares as 'medicine' then you need to prove it works.” And that HAS been proven. In Germany they tried to stop herbal medicine in the 70es, but an outcry from the population made them change their mind and introduce a law that the manufacturers would have to prove within a 10 year period that it works and is safe. THEY PROVED IT!! Against the expectations of big chemical pharma…

 

So then the next attempt was to introduce a new law in 2003 that requires approval of EACH INGREDIENT in the remedy. Herbal medicines usually have quite a few ingredients, which multiplies the cost up to at least a 100 000 $, or more. Chemical pharma remedies in most cases have only ONE active ingredient to pay for… and they can afford it.

 

Even that barrier was partly overcome and some companies did pay the costs, but a number of them gave up and closed, since they couldn’t afford them. And that is just what big pharma wanted… But they didn’t get completely what they had wanted and couldn’t kill all the competition. So that will be why they now take the step to a full ban!

 

“If crap like homeopathy really works then why aren't the big, evil Pharma companies selling it?” It DOES WORK, I have long personal experience with it. Have you tried it? How else will you know…? The very simple reason big pharma doesn’t sell it is that they can make HUNDREDS of % profit with chemical remedies, but maybe 20 % with homeopathics. Homeopathics cannot be patented… and you can have no monopoly with them…

 

Isn’t it actually ignorant to think that herbal and homeopathic remedies would have survived being used for 50 or in some cases even 100-200 years IF THEY DIDN’T WORK? Would people really by them if they hadn’t experienced that they are effective?

 

“They are only interested in developing stuff which passes the standards which are set.” Oh, my dear! Isn’t that naive… They SET the standards to suite them so that they can manipulate the market,,,

 

And since big pharma is profit oriented, and that to HUNDREDS OF % (see above), do you really believe that they want patients to be cured rather quickly and thus loose them as “customers”? If patients are cured slowly, they make more money! And if they are not really cured at all, but the “medicine” rather suppresses symptoms so that they have to take them for the rest of there lives – WHAT A PROFIT!!! THAT is BIG BUSINESS!!!

 

One must be quite a bit naive to believe otherwise…

Edited January 9, 2011 by allesok

[allesok]

And let me add something: You seem to believe that big pharma is controlled by politics? No, it is the other way around! THEY control POLITICS to get what they want! You have no idea how many politicians are manipulated, and how, by them. Either important politicians are actually bribed, but in sneaky ways the public will never know, or they make use of the fact that politicians are medical lay-men who don't understand these things at all. So big pharma “supports” them with their “advisers” (= agents, well paid for the purpose!) to make their minds up.

 

 

Big pharma Sandoz in Basel in the 70es had a line of herbal remedies called ValVerde. So they did know that they work. The other chemical big pharma competitors were very critical to this and it didn't last long.

 

 

I once knew a physician who worked in health care for the personnel in one of the big pharma companies in Basel. He suggested to the company to try the homeopathic principle in his work, and he lost his job! But that suggestion was, of course, very naive of him...

 

Believe me, I have worked in the big pharma for years ... and I had quite a few looks “behind the curtain” ... (and I actually once myself was in a small group that went to a government for talks).

Edited January 10, 2011 by allesok

[Yo-Yo]

Pharmaceutical lobby is trying to ban use of medicinal herbs across entire European Union. :banned:

 

Ban is planned on 1-Apr-2011 and this is not April Fools' Day joke!

 

Behavior of Pharmaceutical lobby is determined by maximizing profit. Human health is their secondary objective, it is not necessarily their main goal.

 

Pharma-establishment has been trying to patent natural plants and in most cases failed, since they can't patent life, treasure of nature and all humankind.

 

Now they pull bigger cannon - prohibition under penalty of taking away our freedom! :director:

 

EU and our lives does not belong to corporations. We decide! Please support the petition that will be forwarded to European Parliament.

 

Keep your comments full of wisdom and be polite.

 

:protest: :protest: :protest: :protest:

 

http://www.gopetition.com/petition/39757.html

 

Idiots want more money?

 

Guys, you still have your right to demonstrations and meetings... you are not in Russia :).

 

WE have not this right but we have the right to collect herbs and use it.

Edited January 10, 2011 by Yo-Yo

[26-J39]

Pharmaceutical companies might be evil, but it's the drive for profit that assures us that their stuff work.

 

Do you really believe that?? I recommend you educate yourself on the subject through open media sources, you will find it quite obvious what happens.. They perpetuate sickness and the need for more artificial drugs "talk about placebo's!" then offer all their false hope (misery). Natural cures for most of the diseases that are prevalent today have been around for thousands of years they are just suppressed by governments and pharma to maximize their power, control and wealth. Nothing new, no conspiracy theories just conspiracy facts unfortunately. :noexpression:

[winz]

Natural cures for most of the diseases that are prevalent today have been around for thousands of years they are just suppressed by governments and pharma to maximize their power, control and wealth.

Yeah, that's why life expectancy was 1/3 of what it is today. Because those herbs cured most common diseases, like secondary bacteria infections during flu.

 

Herbs and natural stuff are great for prevention, for immunity and healthy life style support. But are worthless againts diseases that were killing us for centuries.

[Jg2001_Rasputin]

This law is already enacted since 2004 in Germany and reaches back to the 1970s. There is and there will be no ban of medical herbs!

 

Please read yourself: Directive 2004/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 31 March 2004 amending, as regards traditional herbal medicinal products, Directive 2001/83/EC on the Community code relating to medicinal products for human use

For the german users a article from the Arzneimittelkommission (AMK)

der deutschen Heilpraktiker about "Die Europäische Richtlinie für traditionelle pflanzliche Arzneimittel beinhaltet kein Verbot von Heilpflanzen"

[X-man]

Sorry guys, but these "I have tried it and it works" testimonies doesn't mean sh*# unfortunately. There is a thing called Placebo, and unless you have done a full, double-blind study with control groups, you cant make any conclusions out of it.

 

Certain alternative medicine might or might not work, and his is what the EU wants to clear up. If you market a product and claim it can be used as treatment for a disease, you should prove it beyond rumors or testimonies from individuals.

 

Let me just ask this, what is it that drive companies that work with alternative medicine? Is it not the same profit as with the big pharmaceutical companies? In fact the only difference is that one of them have to prove with very costly methods that their stuff works, while the other side can just market whatever sh*# they want and say it works.

 

And the ones getting hurt by this is the weak (sick and poor) people who waste money on methods that in the end might not work, instead of going to a real doctor for a real treatment. :doh:

Edited January 10, 2011 by 159th_Viper
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[26-J39]

There's always going to be hocus pocus miracle remedies whether they are natural/herbal or from pharma companies.

It's up to the individual to do his/her research to see whether it has any credit, anything that works shouldn't be ignored. The point is we as individuals should be able to choose what ever we think is right for us, but soon even a choice will be gone. By allowing such a bill to pass is allowing the pharma companies to say "here's your one and only choice!". Is that what we call freedom or democracy in the year 2011?

 

Funny (not really) but even most doctors know about the dreaded pharma companies and what they are doing, the ones that don't are suckers for pharma spin. <-- That comment was from a doctor i spoke to awhile ago.

[allesok]

“There is a thing called Placebo” – and even if it in SOME cases would be a placebo effect AND IT WORKS!!!! What then? “

 

Certain alternative medicine might or might not work, and this is what the EU wants to clear up.” Do you also believe in Santa Clause? IT IS A MATTER OF KILLING COMPETITION FOR MONOPOLIZATION!!!

 

“Let me just ask this, what is it that drives companies that work with alternative medicine?” It is the DEMAND from the customers who from own experience KNOW that it works!

 

And the ones getting hurt by this are the weak (sick and poor) people who have their insurance waste money for them on chemical methods that in the end might not save their lives, instead of letting them have an individual and democratic choice about THEIR OWN LIFE...

Edited January 10, 2011 by allesok

[X-man]

There's always going to be hocus pocus miracle remedies whether they are natural/herbal or from pharma companies.

It's up to the individual to do his/her research to see whether it has any credit, anything that works shouldn't be ignored. The point is we as individuals should be able to choose what ever we think is right for us, but soon even a choice will be gone.

Yeah, but do you seriously believe everyone have the time/capacity to read through scientific studies on everything they do in daily life? One should be able to trust the marketing of a product, and when it says it does something, it better do that. It's not fair to let people buy expensive products which basically doesn't do anything. Nothing to do with democracy, just simple ethics.

 

By allowing such a bill to pass is allowing the pharma companies to say "here's your one and only choice!". Is that what we call freedom or democracy in the year 2011?

No, it's by allowing such a bill, consumers can know that what they buy have actually some effects, as proven in studies.