FSX Discussion

[winz]

It's just that a combat pilot, IMO, does find the routine boring. Why be forced to follow it when you can avoid it?

Sooo that's why we see people using taxiways as runways, landing in opposing direction, not following patterns, totaly lost when dependand on their own navigation...

 

And combat sims doesn't have routine? I.e Why are people doing their full startup checklists with bits, when there is no propability of failure?

[Stretch]

Seriously, so much of sorties is routine...

 

Near rocks, far rocks, check six.

Near rocks, far rocks, check six.

Near rocks, far rocks, check six.

Near rocks, far rocks, check six.

...

 

Need I say more? :)

[menendezdiego]

Who here is actually a pilot...like in real life...(raises hand)

 

I would like for all to answer the following:

 

1)Are you a real life pilot

 

2)Combat Sims only, or Combat and Civ.

 

Once I get an idea of who we're dealing with, I'll voice my opinions.

[MTFDarkEagle]

1) No, but I will start training soon though.

 

2) Combat and civilian

[element1108]

Aviation no matter what branch you're into is ALL about routine. Especially combat pilots, they have more routine than any other aviator (well maybe not commercial airlines) but boy the steps they have to take just to takeoff, never mind press the trigger.

 

Aviation is complicated, when you factor in combat into that equation it becomes even more complicated and therefore steps are taken to ensure an efficient and "safe" process. Airline pilots with thousands of hours still call out checklists to their co-pilot to ensure proper startup/taxi/takeoff/climb procedures.

 

When you're flying a sim from the comfort of your computer you're not getting the physical sensations that come along with high speed, g's and life jeopardy (if routine isn't followed) ... it's all about the KILL (for some) (for others it's the step by steps process).

 

The A2A spit looks amazing, A2A are the only 3rd party FSX guys who continue to really push the bar when it comes to exploiting the FSX code. Flying the aircraft is much more than throttle forward stick into gut, trigger pressed.

 

 

1) Aviation as a hobby so I've taken a few flights, but by no means a RL expert

2) A good friend of mine is in RCAF flying CF-18's and I've discussed his routines and processes a LOT (comparing to RL aviation). Again, I'm no expert :)

Edited January 28, 2011 by element1108

[aaron886]

1- Yes, but not professionally, at least for a few more years.

2- Any sim that is of quality.

[Succellus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_Resource_Management -- the article claims both definitions of CRM are correct and never once implies that CRM is entirely working as a team with your flight crew.

 

The main point, I think, is that most of the people who say "meh" to civilian flight simulators are not fully capable combat sim pilots either. If you truly wanted to be master of your bird, you would study and practice its envelope in both combat and non-combat situations. And if that appealed to you, then you would have fun with the challenges FSX provides. If you think those non-combat challenges are boring, then chances are you're not becoming very proficient in airmanship things like, say, short-field landings in DCS: Warthog, rather spending all your time becoming proficient in putting depleted uranium into tanks.

 

Of course, being a skilled aerial gunner isn't a bad thing, but good airmanship is about the whole package, skill in every situation fate can throw at you. (Lord knows I don't have it yet.) And FSX provides you with a diverse portfolio of challenges fate can throw at you. Just because you never press a trigger doesn't mean they are any less important to a combat pilot.

 

MEH, CRM for me is Customer Relationship Management...

but i can adapt to Cluster bomb Realease Management if you will. :D

 

As for envelope, LOL, learning envelope and energy management in combat is a little more dificult and important in Mil.FS than Civ.FS.

And as your definition of players of Mil.FS its as short as you so called landing field, since for you to be succefull in Mil.FS means bringing da bird home as much in one piece as you can. I wanna see a Civ.FS simulate an half blown wing, engine with more bullets than a powerpoint presentation, some half stuck rudder, and 1 and a half aileron working assimetrically and with diferent amplitude due to damage, blown tires and BB cramped on your back scearming PULL UP! PULL UP! WARNING GEAR! WARNING GEAR!MWS FAILURE! HYDRAULICS FAILURE! ENGINE FAILURE! YOU RE SCREWED!!!

How many time in a Civ.FS you had to make a decision to try a barrel roll before landing (or anything crazy) due to a scrwed plane or trying to abort an approach not knowing if you had enought gas to try anything else but eject if you aborted. How do you eject on a piper cub?

Give me a Civ.FS where you can do a landing procedure coming nose down at 90 degree of earth following ATC procedure.

Each one its own, mine ain t ATC, its going wild buck and doing a job that ain t freaking easy. As i said, i need adrenaline, and spraying virtual fields of virtual bean with virtual pesticide while i calculate when i will have to do my next main manutention because of metallic residue in the engine that can cause mechanic life time decrease ain t my definition of adrenal.

 

But call me in when they put SAMS doing duck shots on 747 or cessna 172, it ll be fun to try to not be shot down in flames. (even if vain).

 

As for flying i will remain with skydive, as i said i have no pretention to be real pilot, and never had since Mil. became totally out of the chart due to health problems. Again i would suffer the same problem IRL that i have in VR, and probably would ending up grounded for life.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Succellus

[aaron886]

What is this Civ.FS/Mil.FS nonsense. Are these websites? :D

[Steel Jaw]

Once I get an idea of who we're dealing with, I'll voice my opinions.

 

Oh good luck with that attitude. :P

 

LMAO.

[Succellus]

They're ADD and can't focus unless stuff is being blown up.

 

You re plainly wrong i ve flyed don t know how many misison in IL2 sims without label not being able to kick a rat and having to shake AI of my back ammoless, and i was damn glad and proud to be able to freaking land in one piece.

Or was just glad to be able to land in modern Mil.FS when the only bang done was my aircraft being hit.

 

Sometime bringing it home alone is a blast as much in CIv. than Mil. FS, but you can bet it happens to be a challenge more times in common settings in Mil. than Civ. by the only fact that in Civ. Nobody is trying to make your plane look like july 4th at any time and situation.

 

As for me:

1) No pilot

2) Combat flight sim only, quality only.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Succellus

[aaron886]

Here's one way to look at it... if exciting things are happening to you in your FedEx MD-11 in FSX, you're probably doing it wrong. :D

[Succellus]

What is this Civ.FS/Mil.FS nonsense. Are these websites? :D

Its just that Combat Flight Simulator remember me so much the game i want to puke.:(

So i prefer Mil.FS and Civ.FS they are kind of FS.

 

Strange i m not discussing values of Civ.FS, i just sayd they are boring for me, then someone got offended theyr hobbie was called boring and came guns ho! So i ended up furballing over a stupid argue.

 

The important is :pilotfly:no matter how...

[Steel Jaw]

Here's one way to look at it... if exciting things are happening to you in your FedEx MD-11 in FSX, you're probably doing it wrong. :D

 

Exactly: I have it, I have the LDS 763. I have radar contact. I have gex, rex2, utx, ats. Bores me to tears.

[Succellus]

Here's one way to look at it... if exciting things are happening to you in your FedEx MD-11 in FSX, you're probably doing it wrong. :D

 

You bet, or your about to get LOST. :clown:

[Stretch]

Here's one way to look at it... if exciting things are happening to you in your FedEx MD-11 in FSX, you're probably doing it wrong. :D

 

So all those ATPs who do recurring training in the sim where the computer flames out two engines are doing it wrong?

[Succellus]

Yes, but they are doing it on purpose.

[Steel Jaw]

Now I see that VRS is coming with some kinda tac ops combat mod...but, you see, it will run with the same old CRAPPY FPS...how delusional are people?

Edited January 30, 2011 by Mower

[Stretch]

And so should you be with FSX. I said before, FSX is about mastery of your bird, in all conditions and all situations.

 

EDIT: And Mower, I'm sorry you get such poor FPS. I'm not deluding myself because I get 20-30 typically. I can share my specs and configuration if you wish.

[Steel Jaw]

Stretch I get 20-30 on the ramp if Im lucky and have tweaked FSX for years so thanx but I declline your kind offer...waste of time.

[Steel Jaw]

SP2 installed, not acceleartion as it causes issues with LDS 763, using the affinity mask to activate 4 cores.

[Stretch]

The big thing for me is traffic. If my traffic sliders are down at 20% or below I get usable FPS. If I start to move those traffic sliders up, it gets really slow really quickly. That's all CPU too, FSX may be able to use DX9 and stuff but has balls for CPU optimization.

 

EDIT: i7 930 @ 3.5, Radeon HD 5870, 6 GB @ 2000 MHz, VelociRaptor 10K + SSD

[menendezdiego]

Here are some tips...traffic and all that crap (boats), turn it to zero.

 

FPS unlimited, bloom off, and when in game, be sure to be flying with the menu open (can open by clicking alt after flight starts).

 

Strangley, after installing REX and turning all the scenery stuff as high as it goes, I get better FPS than if I were keping certain things low

[Ssnake51]

The suggestion to set FPS to Unlimited seems to be quite popular. I actually find I get a smoother flying experience by limiting my framerate to 30.

[Jinro]

If you want more traffic without sacrificing framerates try "World of AI".

[winz]

Got some question for the FSX crowd here.

I've got a new machine (this one can finally handle FSX), so I'm slowly setting up FSX again.

The spec is:

intel i5 2500k

Nvidia GTX 560ti

8GB Ram

 

So the questions:

1) Any ideas how to tweak FSX to be less CPU hungry? What are the most CPU hungry features except traffic? because that seems to be a bottleneck even for this CPU. As GPU is not exceeding 50% load. FPS are around 30 on full settings, except traffic.

 

2)Any ideas for good addons? So far I got REX, TrafficX and Live ATC chatter. Any aircrafts there worth the bucks? I would prefer som jet airliners and immersion addons.

 

Thanks. :)