Plane "Drift"

[JaseGill]

Yugos are piles of crap. I do not envy anyone who has one.

 

Endlessly defending something is the first sign of regret. :D

 

I will have to try my issue again, but I was pretty sure my loadout was symmetrical.

 

Says a guy with a G940. It may have been a personal issue or a problem with the fact that the G940 was left hanging support-less for almost a year and had some serious issues (the Rudder pedals being the only bit I would have kept) but I thought it was awful. I know, I put up with it for over a year.

 

I'm glad I traded up, and I'm betting had you been in the UK when it was selling for 199 pounds (go do the maths, thats cheap!) you'd have snapped one up. I paid full price and still think its worth it.

 

Personal opinion of course, but then had you not bought it up neither would I have.

J.

[power5]

Reading comprehension FTW - suggest you learn some. Or how about another cliche for you, you know, assumptions make an....

 

I never defended the WH. I know it's problems but imprecision is not one of them. But I also know that as the market stands, the TM WH is the finest stick you can buy currently. When CH comes out with their version I'm sure that will beat the TM WH when it comes to reliability, durability and precision given CH's track record.

 

But lets go on with the game and have some more fun cos I'm in the mood - you just can't afford one. Don't be envious just work harder.

 

You said people who bash stuff they don't own are envious. Pretty sure my reading comprehension skills were adequate for that one sentence. I simply used an analogy that even though I do not own a yugo, I can still call them crap and not be jealous. Trust me, I drive a chevette, I know a quality vehicle when I see one. I used an analogy to rebuke your comment, then I made a similar baseless comment directed at people who defend their purchases. Think the guy with a Ferrari defends his purchase when someone calls it worthless? He doesnt have to because Ferrari has been around and proved its value. The WH has not yet.

 

I can not afford a WH because I am building other parts of a pit. I am getting touchscreens and computer upgrades to run more monitors. I wish I could afford to dump $600 on a WH setup and pedals, but would rather spend the money I have on upgrading my sim experience further, not tweaking what I already have. Not trying to have an epeen contest, my 2 daughters are way more important than any sim components and I am plenty happy with what I have.

 

Says a guy with a G940. It may have been a personal issue or a problem with the fact that the G940 was left hanging support-less for almost a year and had some serious issues (the Rudder pedals being the only bit I would have kept) but I thought it was awful. I know, I put up with it for over a year.

 

I'm glad I traded up, and I'm betting had you been in the UK when it was selling for 199 pounds (go do the maths, thats cheap!) you'd have snapped one up. I paid full price and still think its worth it.

 

Personal opinion of course, but then had you not bought it up neither would I have.

J.

If a WH was available for the price of the 940, I would get it. Its twice as much and has no pedals. I sure hope its better for the price, but not sure how you can think its twice as good. I got my 940 like 6 months ago. I do not buy launch items for the reasons you had. I do not NEED to be the first on the block to show off my new joystick. My 940 has been pretty much perfect for me.

 

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[Kevlon]

flaming is ... boring.. who cares ?

start your own tread :P

[Heliflyr]

A-10 flies with a right bank

 

When I start any of the instant missions, the A-10 instantly goes into a right bank of 5 to 10 deg. It only occurs in the "Simulation" mode. When I change to "Game" mode in the game options, there is no longer a RH bank. I know about P-factor in prop airplanes, but it should not happen here. I'm using a Seitek Cyborg X. When I test the controlls, everything checks out good. There is no indication that the stick is leaning right. Drivers and software have been updated.

[Slayer]

I always get a slight pull to the right when taking off down the runway. Ctrl enter shows controls are centered. No brakes applied. Very annoying.

 

Unused axis are all cleared out of controls. I've added some deadband to rudder and stick axis to account for the mechanical slop in the controls so I don't have to constantly "bump steer" back and forth because ther eis no spring pressure . It's no wind or loading issue. It only started happening after Beta 4. If I disengage the NWS it still pulls. Tried yaw trim etc. I thought it might be a throttle or engine power balancing issue but other people get it with no throttle or rudder.

[sobek]

It's asymmetric inertia due to an asymmetric weapons load out. There is nothing wrong with that, you have to compensate manually in yaw on the ground and usually in roll in the air. Trim is your friend.

[A10FAN]

Those TM Warthogs seem about as reliable as a cardboard bridge in a rainstorm.

 

Ill take this hotas on its worst day compared to anything else

[shu77]

As a matter of fact you are supposed to turn EAC off for landing. Hint. Remember the B-2 that crashed?

 

There you go, I didn't know this.

[Kula66]

I had a drift problem that was driving me nuts during AAR - I tracked it down to my HOTAS. A slight offset was visible when you displayed the joystick position on screen during the sim - I think it is <Ctrl><Enter>.

 

Couldn't figure out how to calibrate my new TM, so I put in a small dead-zone - fixed it.

 

I still get it when asymmetrically loaded but not when flying clean.

[hassata]

Here's how to calibrate the WH: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=65901&highlight=calibrate+warthog

 

Every user should do this out of the box imho.

[Kula66]

Here's how to calibrate the WH: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=65901&highlight=calibrate+warthog

 

Every user should do this out of the box imho.

 

Thanks hassata. I loved the old TM Foxy configuration software and really hate the new WH software. I think I loaded it once and never since!

 

I have to say the new WH is fantastic! I loved my old Cougar but it had its faults. The WH is worth every penny IMHO.

[RodBorza]

There you go, I didn't know this.

 

+1! That's good info. Didn't know that.

[Kula66]

As a matter of fact you are supposed to turn EAC off for landing. Hint. Remember the B-2 that crashed?

 

I thought that crash was on take-off?

[jeffyd123]

so killing the EAC will kill the SAS too... hmmmmm..... Im going to try that! I dont like how the SAS is always fighting you for control of the plane. I know its trying to stabilize it but it is kind of too much and annoying IMHO.

 

for the guys that find their planes pulling all the time... now listen up.....

 

. ITS ALL ABOUT THE TRIM!!!!

 

Just keep trimming and your plane will handle great. the trim changes with speed and after you launch/drop weps. I find Myself using trim more than any other hat.

 

And yes you must be sure your stick is centered before you use it for the first time. mine wasnt so I put a tiny dead zone on it with the stick's software (no dead zone in the sim but I have an X65 which is a different deal with deadzones).

Edited April 28, 2011 by jeffyd123

[bigian]

I have Saitek combat rudder pedals too, I'm zigzagging up the runway like a drunk and manage to take off once every three attempts, tried the suggested deadzone slider settings etc. to no avail, I think pressing W may be helping - shouldnt ED be picking up all of these Saitek pedal problems and maybe having someone have a look. Even if God forbid it means pulling someone off of the Nevada map (released in May but perhaps not May 2012?) anyway best sim on the planet so Id best not knock it - cheers guys.

[bengo]

Bigian,

 

are you sure non of your toe-brakes aren't (slightly) activated, resulted in (slight) differential braking ?

 

B

[Corrigan]

I experience a pull to the right on take off. I'm not using any pedals atm, just the x and z keys for rudder. Also have a TM Warthog which I just confirmed the calibration of.

[bigian]

Bigian,

 

are you sure non of your toe-brakes aren't (slightly) activated, resulted in (slight) differential braking ?

 

B

Not sure B it seems more a matter of them being supersensitive, perhaps you're right though as the suggestion to press W seemed to work yesterday. I just have to be ultra careful in my takeoff runs, gets frustrating after a ramp start and taxi just to crash as the flight begins. My ramp starts are spot on now of course with all of the practice! Loving this sim though, Im doing my private pilot's license just now so its nice to swap between a piper archer and the hog!

[shagrat]

This is what everybody experiences. One reason seems to be the off-center position of the nose-wheel. When having crosswinds it gets more noticable and when you have an asynchronous weapons load that puts the plane even more off-balance.

Bottom line is you need to compensate, either by applying a little rudder (rudder pedals recommended) or a tip found on the forums trim the ailerons a bit left wing down, I use 3 ticks on the trim-hat, usually, which decreases the effect a bit.

Works fine for me.

 

Test it with a mission setup with 0m/sec wind and a complete empty plane.

Then add loadout, then cross winds.

 

Start and land is something you need to train a lot, because you need to "feel" the plane act to e.g. cross winds.

 

After two years I still sometimes get a bad start and sway over the runway in zig-zag a bit, but nowadays I can compensate and stabilize on-the-fly.

 

In the beginning that usually ended in the grass :D

 

EDIT: for the Toe brakes - use a deadzone(!) - usually the toe brakes on the pedals are "flickering" a bit even when not depressed, seems to be the analogue potentiometers. When you add deadzone suggestion is 5 and also dampen the curve a bit so the brakes don't "kick in" like an anchor...

For the rudder you should also dampen the curve a bit gives you better control over the nose wheel and rudder.

Edited June 12, 2012 by shagrat

[proletariat23]

atm observed effect is a bit of a drift to the "left" in the air and on the ground in all planes. Thought the rotation of the earth was being troll modeled or something. Checked all hardware and axis settings, verified with status indicator. The entire world seems to be moving slightly to the west depending on which map you're on.

 

Thought maybe strong crosswind or some type of HUD drift C/O setting maybe but no, flew the hog, the flanker and the eagle, all doing it to the "left" of the initial spawn point.

 

I even found a very straight road, lined up on it and tried to fly a straight line with visual reference, it's hard to explain, like a projection was moving by me, not that I was in a simulator. I've played flight sim for many years, the best way to describe it, it's like you have a left boot full of rudder without rudder or bank angle, so flying straight leaves you at an off kilter angle, it's most pronounced in the russian aircraft.