Would a stripped down version be a good addition.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Well, too be honest, this isn't going to happen, because A) DCS is a full blown simulator (so for the RTFM people), and B) I have never heard "a lot of people" interested about this?

[ONT]

This is not a problem for me (although I gotta admit not progressing fast in Black Shark).

 

Just a suggestion to make the sim more beginner friendly.

 

For the new to ED series.

 

Less information overload.

 

 

 

First training mission: Welcome to Basic training.

 

I'm not letting you fly a new A-10C.

 

Her's a beat up one, all the fancy stuff needs repair.

 

Don't worry, still flies like a dream, and the gun works.

 

Go blow up some drone planes and get back to me later for the theory training.

Edited January 2, 2011 by ONT

[MTFDarkEagle]

Not gonna happen. DCS is all about pure simulation. RTM-or-you-get-your-*ss-kicked-simulation. lomac is "better" for the beginner.

[Glowing_Amraam]

Go blow up some drone planes and get back to me later for the theory training.

 

Since when did the A-10C become a fighter? :P

 

I think you're losing your scope on what the DCS series is all about. :)

[shagrat]

I do not agree...

 

Just a suggestion to make the sim more beginner friendly.

 

Less information overload.

 

Sorry, I don't get it. LOMAC FC2 is the perfect easy-to-start-with-but-still-realistic Flight Sim.

DCS Series is a sophisticated sim.

 

I guess the Airforce and all the military pilots would love(!!!) flying a combat airplane to be easy like in HAWX or A10 Cuba.

No f...ing physics to care about, no stalls, perfect situational awareness with a 360° radar bubble etc.

 

unfortunately real life and real flying isn't just a "game"! :smartass:

 

...and by the way, you don't have to use all the electronics, just stick to the HUD and push the throttle... only the enemies will get at you like in real life.

 

The thing is, ED has done a great job with the trainings, you can use them to learn how to fly and fight in a complex thing like a modern combat aircraft.:book:

 

And last but not least, your suggestion (attract more paying customers to sim flying by making it less complex) nearly extinct sophisticated realistic flight sims in the first place. EA, Micropose etc. all moved to "Console type" kiddy games for the quick revenue, I am very happy that ED is taking the hard road and provides us with high quality sims, so don't tempt them :music_whistling:

 

No offense meant ONT, but in my oppinion ED is exactly doing what "their" customers want!

Edited January 3, 2011 by shagrat
fixed a typo...

[ONT]

DCS should be all about pure simulation.

 

But do you suggest ED print "go buy Lomac if your a beginner" on the reatal box.

 

 

 

Not suggesting to mess with the sim in any way or dumb it down.

 

This is an added feature.

 

 

And as far as realism, I'm sure 1 or 2 off the A-10 pilots in a war zone had to get back on basic aviation.

Edited January 3, 2011 by ONT

[MTFDarkEagle]

Well, one could try and figure that out on his own..

[ONT]

And the mission realism :

 

"The A-10 was used in combat for the first time during the Gulf War in 1991, destroying more than 900 Iraqi tanks, 2,000 military vehicles, and 1,200 artillery pieces. A-10s shot down two Iraqi helicopters with the GAU-8 cannon. The first of these was an Iraqi helicopter shot down by Captain Robert Swain over Kuwait on 6 February 1991, marking the A-10's first air-to-air victory."

 

So change my Drone planes to Helicopters.

 

But we can always go with the more realistic :

 

"The A-10 also flew 32 missions in which the aircraft dropped propaganda leaflets over Iraq."

 

If you think that would attract more begginers.

Edited January 3, 2011 by ONT

[shagrat]

But we can always go with the more realistic

 

"The A-10 also flew 32 missions in which the aircraft dropped propaganda leaflets over Iraq."

 

If you think that would attract more begginers

 

...perfectly alright for me! I just finished a short one hour ride from Kobuleti to Anapa to check on HSI, SteerPoint and ILS landing skills plus testing dynamic weather. And I did enjoy this. No enemies, no guns, just pure flying a sim.

 

I guess, that is the difference between simmers and gamers...:pilotfly:

[Gonzo01]

Go back and watch TV that is if you can figure out how to work the remote. I hear Sponge Bob Square pant's is on.

[ONT]

I don't disagree with just flying in beautiful weather.

 

Brings back memories of the Cessna 206 I used to parachute from in

 

Northern Sweden.

 

Mmmmm those old TU and double L chutes.

Edited January 3, 2011 by ONT

[jazjar]

DuDe, they have interactive training, and a manual to ease the learning curve....

[ONT]

I know , and gave a big thumbs up on that yesterday.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=64573

 

 

Any step in making a hardcore sim easier to learn is a good thing in my book.

 

 

I wold hate to see real talent all gone.

 

Replaced by ARCADE style developer.

 

 

Better to teach the masses the good stuff.

Edited January 3, 2011 by ONT

[Total]

It takes years for real pilots to fly missions.

 

If it takes several weeks for a person to get the hang of a simulator, that's a heck of a deal.

 

The success in these sims is not blowing stuff up. The success is conquering the challenge of a near vertical learning curve :)

 

As far as Blackshark (referring to your linked post), there's plenty of resources out there to show you the proper start up procedure. There's really now ay to simplify the operating procedures for the chapper. It's a very operator intensive aircraft. The highlighted guides would help in that one, but there's no way to (or sense in) simplifying things.

[ONT]

I totally agree Total, except "but there's no way to (or sense in) simplifying things".

 

 

Simplifying LEARNING makes all sense to me.

 

 

And there's plenty of roads to take to achieve that.

 

This is one example of that.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2626185/STICKY_Tutorial_How_to_take_of.html

 

 

Just a post on that subject.

 

Not a post on lets make DCS an ARCADE game.

Edited January 3, 2011 by ONT

[Total]

there's plenty of resources out there to show you the proper start up procedure

 

I already said that :)

 

If they put everything ingame from "For Dummies" to "Expert" then it would be so huge, that no one would download it.

 

Everything the guy listed there is in the manual tho :)

 

To me, the reason I play DCS is that I like to be around people who really don't look for the easy way into things. Just me though.

[Grimes]

Training scenario's are something I think ED has yet to perfect. I tend to think that a detailed and thorough training experience can still be useful for beginners and experienced simmers alike. The key is to divide up the training and how it is covered. As it stands the current training within the sim isn't very friendly to experienced simmers, let alone new pilots. However I doubt ED will change the training, I'm not even sure it will change for whatever is next, so it will be up to the community to create the content.

[ONT]

I think there on the right track with the training missions.

 

Much better than Black Shark.

 

But like I posted and just like you said "The key is to divide up the training and how it is covered".

 

 

Don't put to much info and task in each mission.

 

And do lots of training in every scenario, progress.

 

Landing part 1 : Sunny no wind lined up perfect.

 

Landing part 2 : Sunny wind not lined up perfect.

 

up till Landing part 10: Night, rain the Taliban is using you for target practise with RPGs

and one engine is busted.

Edited January 3, 2011 by ONT

[Napa]

up till Landing part 10: Night, rain the Taliban is using you for target practise with RPGs and one engine is busted.

 

Taliban? :megalol:

 

Oh well, I can agree with you until a certain point. I agree that ED has still a long way to get the sim more "noob" friendly, but as I said in my previous post: Just check the box in options menu for simple avionics, leave it unchecked for advance flight modeling.

 

As for the training missions - From the 1st DCS title to the 2nd... A GIGANTIC step forward from ED. I'm extremely happy with the new training regime, even my grandma can learn.

 

And the flight manual is not just an option. Is THE only way to fly properly this sim. 700 pages are not there for a publicity stunt, they will teach you everything about A-10C.

[MasterZelgadis]

I still don't get what the Threadstarter wants. A sim like it is now, with a realistic flight model, but without having to keep in mind all these instruments? Well, that would not be easier, it would be even harder to fly ;)

[jazjar]

He probably wants to render the oil pressure gauges non functional, and leave as he said "The basic neccessities for flying like the instruments on the center dash, and some of the basic stuff on the HUD. I guess this is the thing he wants. I have no problem with his idea, but I won't be buying it, no offense. I like glancing down on the obscure fan RPM gauges to watch how the throttle is affecting them to much to do that now :)