Verdict on the TM Warthog?

[Succellus]

I ve seen the tag FCC compliant on the cables, near the USB plug.

[twobells]

Now I just saw a pic of a CH Hawg HOTAS but cannot find any info on that...I'd go for that over fecking TM with their p*ss poor manufacturing record.

 

CH 'Hawg' you say?

 

Any chance we can see a pic please?

 

 

 

Apart from some units corrupting their firmware (not happened to me *fingerscrossed*), there is very little wrong with that HOTAS. Some things could be improved, but they are nowhere nere showstoppers.

 

 

No, with respect you're wrong.

There have been many completely bricked units that are not just firmware related but looks like a component issue.

Edited February 1, 2011 by twobells

[Wolf Rider]

is it to be understood then that the warthog has no USB compliant tagging?

[celticcoho]

is it to be understood then that the warthog has no USB compliant tagging?

Both my Hog USBs have the FCC Tags!!!!:thumbup:

[Wolf Rider]

FCC isn't USB compliancy though... as I understand it - "The FCC under rule part 15 tells us that most electronic devices need to either be verified to not cause harmful emissions or need to be certified to not cause harmful emissions."

[Steel Jaw]

Some would argue (Mower) that stands for F__KING Crap Company......TM..

 

 

LMAO...sadly so.

[Succellus]

After checking the usb compliance program page. I can say NO TM WT aint usb complied.

At least theres nothing on the box, on the manual or on the stick and throttle mentioning anything about that or mentioning or even letting the user think they are.

But to speak true i can t remember to have ever seen this logo granted i never sought it.

[ilikepie]

here are the tags.

[Succellus]

Taking on what wolf rider is saying i guess he was refering to any of the tags found here:

http://www.usb.org/developers/compliance/

[celticcoho]

here are the tags.

+1 for my tags?????:book: So, what does each tag from each Country really mean??? I see it as the Standard Compliance!! All I am seeing from USB.ORG is BUY the LIC to use that LOGO? Does not mean they are Not in compliance????

Edited February 2, 2011 by celticcoho

[Wolf Rider]

to use the label the product must be tested and passed first (similar, but not the same as Microsoft's WHQL. With the FCC label, the product was tested and passed the FCC requirements)

 

When the USB label is displayed it indicates no doubt about the product being compliant

something on USB testing: http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb2.shtml

 

 

 

thanks for taking the time and effort ilikepie :thumbup:

[celticcoho]

to use the label the product must be tested and passed first (similar, but not the same as Microsoft's WHQL. With the FCC label, the product was tested and passed the FCC requirements)

 

When the USB label is displayed it indicates no doubt about the product being compliant

something on USB testing: http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnuts

 

 

thanks for taking the time and effort ilikepie :thumbup:[/quote ]

But this is a Third Parry Company, Selling their LOGO, it's not the FCC, So MAYBE TM did same test, just used Universal LOGO from FCC!!!Why would I Buy this Logo, when free from FCC if standards are met?????:doh: You are stating that FCC requirements are Not Good Enough!!!! If that is the case, we are all lost!!! A third party Company WILL not ever control World Trade!!! Good Effort though.. We are all looking for an answer..+1 rep for your effort.

Edited February 2, 2011 by celticcoho

[Slammin]

Holy crap!

 

 

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[Wolf Rider]

celticcoho, FCC has nothing to do with USB, FCC is for emmissions which may cause interference with radio transmissions, electromagnetic radiation, etc (iiuc)

FCC is The Federal Communications Commission (iiuc)... even your microwave, and especially so, oven must meet FCC compliance (iiuc)

FCC is US Government regulatory body apparently, similar in scope to the FDA (iiuc)

 

 

thanks for the rep though and yes, the USB tag was a quick question based on an item read (linked to) and was a thought.

[celticcoho]

Holy crap!

 

 

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I did not mean to offend anyone!!! yeah, I know, Too much common sense. always gets me in trouble... :cry:

[celticcoho]

celticcoho, FCC has nothing to do with USB, FCC is for emmissions which may cause interference with radio transmissions, electromagnetic radiation, etc (iiuc)

FCC is The Federal Communications Commission (iiuc)... even your microwave, and especially so, oven must meet FCC compliance (iiuc)

FCC is US Government regulatory body apparently, similar in scope to the FDA (iiuc)

 

 

thanks for the rep though and yes, the USB tag was a quick question based on an item read (linked to) and was a thought.

Wolf, I am well aware of the FCC...The Tm USB's meet their compliance for testing and labeling. Whether it is USB 1 or 2or 3 and up to the task that the Warthog demands of it, is in it's self the choice of TM, Not whether it is FCC approved. ALL IMPORTS of Electronics MUST BE. I trurly see where you are coming from, but you are quoting a third party company, selling their TAG. And Buying their USB approved Tag will do nothing for the Current problems.As TM did not buy their Logo. Or Testing!!!Therefore the Problem is back in the hands of TM. Good Discussion though.. No Worries, It's All Good, Jim:doh: Edited February 2, 2011 by celticcoho

[Wolf Rider]

 

Wolf, I am well aware of the FCC...The Tm USB's meet their compliance for testing and labeling.

 

err... I didn't bring FCC into this, someone else did :music_whistling: and FCC is for EM emissions radio interference (iiuc) not USB compliance.

 

 

 

Whether it is USB 1 or 2or 3 and up to the task that the Warthog demands of it, is in it's self the choice of TM, Not whether it is FCC approved. ALL IMPORTS of Electronics MUST BE.

 

 

once again, I never asked about FCC... somebody else :music_whistling: brought that into the mix. Emissions control is a standard part of most countries regulatory regime for radio interference and radiation protection for us mortals

 

 

I trurly see where you are coming from, but you are quoting a third party company, selling their TAG. And Buying their USB approved Tag will do nothing for the Current problems.As TM did not buy their Logo. Or Testing!!!Therefore the Problem is back in the hands of TM. Good Discussion though.. No Worries, It's All Good, Jim:doh:

 

the right to fly the USB tag comes from having the product tested... without the flag (my Canon printer has the USB flag on its box) associated with the product, it leaves open the question of; Is the product fully compliant?

as within the linked to article earlier, there would appear to be some commonly, and easily overlooked situations which would make the product (if they followed those situations) to be outside the USB spec) - meaning "not compliant".

 

You're right though that in that all this will do nothing for the current problem, it may however go a ways to determining just wtf is going on (the long slow awkward process of elimination ;) )... but "buying the tag" as you put it, and having that flag somewhere on the box, or in the maual at least, would confirm (as mentioned previously) that the product is fully compliant. :huh:

Edited February 2, 2011 by Wolf Rider

[celticcoho]

Wolf, I Understand, But TM Does Not. The Warthog is not your printer, so it is not safe with the USB Tag or Testing, I have close to $30,000 in PC's and electronics in my home currently, none have USB Logo from your company, I don't think I will change or worry too much. Seems most Compinies don't see the need for that logo. You Win. I am Done here... You say you have one Cannon with the tag, it must have added to the Price as well. Check all your other electical items, to include extention cords?? You will see, that Co. is only about causing fear for USB, otherwise they would Take on the FCC to validate their claims, I don't see USB makers running to them either???, I am Done Now, Cheers, Wolf..Enjoy..The Millions of USB Electronic Users are not seeing it either!!!Best to you, Jim

P.S. TM Wathog IS fully compliant with FCC, Their problems are compatibility or quality issues. Go tell them what their mistakes are. I am sure they will listen. TM Knows by now what the Problem Is, It is a matter of a Fix for all or a Recall!!! Business Sense tells me they are looking for a Global Fix, not just the ones with current troubles. But for All, to prevet more troubles..Cost Effective!!!

Edited February 2, 2011 by celticcoho

[Wolf Rider]

:huh: lost me

 

 

 

 

anyways, there is still an open question.

Edited February 2, 2011 by Wolf Rider

[celticcoho]

:huh: lost me

 

 

 

anyways, there is still an open question.

If i am Wrong, i will be the First to Admit it....sorry i lost you..Jim

Until TM speaks up, there is always the open???????????:doh:

[Wolf Rider]

no, you haven't physically lost me... there's something being lost in the translation. What has lost me is why you keep banging on about FCC, when FCC has nothing to do with USB :doh:lol

 

Until TM speaks up, there is always the open???????????:doh:

 

 

that kinda goes without saying, eh?? do you really think they will speak up?

Edited February 2, 2011 by Wolf Rider

[Succellus]

To say the truth i never saw this tag anywhere...

And so far so good. I guess its just quality check that if not too expensive is good for marketing.

Or maybe this certification is more developed in some countries than other, seems same ISO 9000 / Sarbox kind of issues.

Seems one of you is in Australia the other in Alaska, deferent part of the world, diferent requirements.

As for FCC it came in only because someone mistaked FCC with USB compliance. And FCC is more about not interefering with military equipment than anything else.

Military wouldn t be found of over millions equipments jamming/interfering with them in time of need.

[celticcoho]

To say the truth i never saw this tag anywhere...

And so far so good. I guess its just quality check that if not too expensive is good for marketing.

Or maybe this certification is more developed in some countries than other, seems same ISO 9000 / Sarbox kind of issues.

Seems one of you is in Australia the other in Alaska, deferent part of the world, diferent requirements.

As for FCC it came in only because someone mistaked FCC with USB compliance. And FCC is more about not interefering with military equipment than anything else.

Military wouldn t be found of over millions equipments jamming/interfering with them in time of need.

 

Always good calm infor from RIO..TY, I am sure Wolf and I will be fine, Maybe even fly together sometime!!USB in itself is a Worldwide Standard and is complied with by all but the best of hackers. So I see USB as Safe Use, Worldwide...Jim:thumbup:

[Wolf Rider]

err, nobody has said USB isn't safe to use :music_whistling: and yes, while there is a standard set for USB, it is possible that at times not all designing manufacturers (accidentally) adhere to that standard... the product they have designed may be offspec just a little bit in some manner, causing themselves grief nd embarrassment

 

yes seccullus, as I wrote before, most countries have some form radio interference/ radiation control regime. Its not just for "not interefering with military equipment than anything else" though, its for protection of civillian television signal and radio services and peoples' health.

[Yskonyn]

On topic though, I have now flown dozens of hours with my TM Warthog and for me it's the most stable and precise piece of hardware I have ever used on a computer.

No glitches, rock solid and very smooth.

 

The buttons could have used less effort to push in -in my view- but that's just a minor nitpick on my side. Overal a very good piece of kit and for me well worth its price.

I guess I am lucky I never had ANY of the trouble or complaints some others had on these boards.