GGTharos Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I definitely hope not :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Steel Jaw Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Blech. Typical mission payload is 1-2 bombs. It's subsonic, it can't turn, it can't really climb, either. No serious A2A capabilicy. The + can throw AMRAAMs around, but it's a self-defense thing, not a huge challenge for a real air superiority fighter. Agreed: I was too lazy to type all that in. What a USELESS tactical jet. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
GGTharos Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Not so useless if you're a marine and you need it to operate from your amphibious assault carrier 30nm from shore - or from a nearby airbase, in which case it can bring a lot more payload to help you with - but that narrow niche is pretty much all it's good at IMHO. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Steel Jaw Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Not so useless if you're a marine and you need it to operate from your amphibious assault carrier 30nm from shore - or from a nearby airbase, in which case it can bring a lot more payload to help you with - but that narrow niche is pretty much all it's good at IMHO. Rearely would they be without the support of a carrier battlegroup and it naval tactical air. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
GGTharos Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 They might have other things to do - why else would the marines have their own air arm? :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Steel Jaw Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Doesn't change my central premise that Harriers suck. ;) "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Total Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) Rearely would they be without the support of a carrier battlegroup and it naval tactical air. I have to disagree there. I was in the first Gulf War aboard the USS Wasp LHD-1. We were diverted from the main scene to assist with the Kurdish refugee exodus. In all of our operations, our sister ship which was the USS American CV-66, did not operate with us hardly at all. The CV's and CVN's were primarliy in the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf with their aircraft enforcing the No Fly Zone and going after targets of interest. Close air support for the Marine Amphibious Readiness Group 2-91 and CAP patrols for the immediate area was provided from our own flight deck. No F/A-18's or A-10's came to play. We were in the envelope for CAP, so there were F-14's and F-15's flying at around 30K within 100-250nm, but they were enforcing the No Fly Zone, not assisting ground troops. The AV-8B Harriers and AH-1 Cobra's did their job of ground support as well as the AV-8B's providing immediate air control of the area. The AV-8B Harrier was a great little aircraft and takes pilots of a special mindset to pilot, but (as stated) it's capabilities are very limited. In 1991, we only had the night attack variant. The more modern plus variant with the APG-65 radar was released after the cease fire. Even with radar, it's still a sub-standard platform for air superiority and, with only 6 pylons, it's ability for sustain CAS missions is limited as well. In my tenure working with the amphibious navy, I never once saw one take off vertically. They just use up far too much fuel in a vertical take-off. They also have to reserve enough fuel to land since they land vertically. Unless a tanker is on duty nearby, then their range and time on station are greatly reduced due to these factors. It's a niche aircraft that fulfills that niche extremely well but, without having the ability to participate in the fight on the ground ingame to get the full appreciation for Harrier support, it wouldn't be that immersive choice of aircraft for the next DCS module. It's great fun to fly CAS in the harrier in ArmA2 as you are working with the ground troops, but (imho) would have a short-lived tenure in the DCS series and that's not a wise business decision. Edited March 29, 2011 by Total
SUBS17 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I disagree the Harrier would fit right in as you can operate from FARPS which are already modeled. It doesn't matter that IRL people hardly ever take off vertically in MP people will do it anyway. Its been a long time since the Harrier was modeled in a sim at the moment it looks as though Jet Thunder will be the next sim for people who are into Harriers. My own preference is the F-16 for the next DCS addon as there is so much information on it as well as it is immensely popular.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Steel Jaw Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 In all of our operations, our sister ship which was the USS American CV-66. Any relation to USS America? Had to go for it. Good points otherwise. :smilewink: "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
GGTharos Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Commence whining about bird strikes on single-engined aircraft in 3...2...1... :D My own preference is the F-16 for the next DCS addon as there is so much information on it as well as it is immensely popular.:thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Total Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 @Mower - ya buttnugget :D @ GG - ROFL We lost on Harrier while I deployed, but it was not due to a bird strike nor enemy fire. The pilot did not know there was this large object in front of him called a mountain. It was daytime and he had his FLIR off. Cloud cover around the peak limited visibility and he smacked into full speed. It pretty much turned to very small pieces very quickly. I just found it odd that none of his wingmen said anything like "Hey dude - uhm, mountain ahead!" Maybe he owed them money and never paid the debt.....lol
genbrien Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 We lost on Harrier while I deployed, but it was not due to a bird strike nor enemy fire. The pilot did not know there was this large object in front of him called a mountain. It was daytime and he had his FLIR off. Cloud cover around the peak limited visibility and he smacked into full speed. It pretty much turned to very small pieces very quickly. I just found it odd that none of his wingmen said anything like "Hey dude - uhm, mountain ahead!" Maybe he owed them money and never paid the debt.....lol has he survived ? Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb
Steel Jaw Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Commence whining about bird strikes on single-engined aircraft in 3...2...1... :D I dont think that will be neccessary. :P "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
S77th-konkussion Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) I was on board that same ship- at the same time as Total- The Conn and I were discussing the Harrier, when I mentioned it's relative slowness.. Capt. Henke.. (Hanke?) chimed in and says, "Well it'll do 500kts.. can you? Start running, Boats... :D Anyway- I have a love-hate relationship with the Harrier.. I learned to appreciate it working so close to them, but learned to hate the FRICKIN NOISE.. OMFG they are loud.. Picture yourself on the Focs'l (Forecastle-front anchor windlass & mooring stations) It's a peaceful day at sea... big 849 footer slowly rising and falling with the sea.. dolphins surfing the bow- wave... when you feel a slight tremor.... rummmmmmmmble WHAM!!!!! Ear Piercing echo comes rushing in through the 4 mooring line eyes-- reverberating back & forth throughout the large steel room... After the first few times, you stop filling your underwear & become more tuned in to that 3 or 4 second rumble... You damn jarheads!!!! :D Edited March 29, 2011 by S77th-konkussion [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
S77th-konkussion Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I never once observed a VTOL takeoff that I can remember... Landing- they always came in from the side and hovered over the spot.. some making contact with the deck a little more "firmly" than others... (Enough to draw OOooUCH from the guys on watch on the bridge) Landing took longer than I expected the first time I saw it- but I have no idea if the guy was a nugget, or rusty, or what have you.. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Commence whining about bird strikes on single-engined aircraft in 3...2...1... :D Hasn't been a problem in DCS yet besides normally I'm at 20K in Falcon.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
aap_flanker Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 it's already a f-16 sim, the Falcon 4! So, I hope that the chosen one be the F15 or F/A-18 (hornet has a wider type of missions cause it's carrier capabilities, so it will be more interesting) ps: I simply hate the f-16 xD Intel i5 11700F + H80 | 4x4GB 3200mhz RAM | AORUS ELITE B560M | Samsung 850 PRO SSD 256gb| KINGSTON SA400 480GB SSD | WD 500GB | Gigabyte GTX 1070 8GB | Antec 1200 PSU | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and homemade panels and rudder pedals | 24" Samsung T24C550 @60Hz 2ms | Opentrack 3 led clip
recoil17 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 They also made the sun and sky better, but that doesnt mean we get to fly the space shuttle. :D Yes but any aircraft will get to see the sun and sky in all its beauty. I think most of the pilots on here turn the water to the lowest setting. Why add all of that detail with waves and rocking boats when most people are going to turn the detail down and be fighting inland? ;) "Simultaneous selection of fuel dump and afterburner during high AOA maneuvering may cause fuel to ignite with resulting fuselage damage."
HOKUM52 Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 alot of people have been suggesting the F-15E but is'nt that a 2 seat aircraft, how could that work :S
robmlufc Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 I never once observed a VTOL takeoff that I can remember... Landing- they always came in from the side and hovered over the spot.. some making contact with the deck a little more "firmly" than others... (Enough to draw OOooUCH from the guys on watch on the bridge) Landing took longer than I expected the first time I saw it- but I have no idea if the guy was a nugget, or rusty, or what have you.. You will only ever see a Harrier do a vertical take off for display purposes, they are too heavy once you start strapping bombs maverick's and fuel tanks to them.
revalence Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 ps: I simply hate the f-16 xD LOL! Me too! It's waaay too overused (No offense to any Falcon fans :P.) The poor 16 is just very.... common ground. Go Hornet!
asparagin Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 LOL! Me too! It's waaay too overused (No offense to any Falcon fans :P.) The poor 16 is just very.... common ground. Go Hornet! Love it or hate it, it's a classic. Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
revalence Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Love it or hate it, it's a classic. Ahhh... I suppose you are right! :D I let that much for the little Falcon here.
mayu22 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Check this out! Read in the Multiplayer section Question Number 2 Matt Wagner is telling that Su-27 and F-16 are already in development, so if its a new American Fixed Wing Fighter it has to be F-16. http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_394b.html Intel i7-930 @ 4.1GHz, EVGA X58 Classified TRI-SLI, RAM Corsair 6.0GB 1333Mhz, Nvidia GTX 580, GTX 280 Physx, Corsair 850 HX, Corsair H50, Corsair 800D Case. 2x500GB Segate, 1x1000GB Segate. Saitek X52, Track IR4.
nomdeplume Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Read in the Multiplayer section Question Number 2 Matt Wagner is telling that Su-27 and F-16 are already in development, so if its a new American Fixed Wing Fighter it has to be F-16. http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_394b.html It's a pretty old interview though (July 2010? edit: that was the last-modified date, but I went back a page and that interview is from December 2008?!) and things change. Not all that long ago ED were talking about the AH-64 and A-10A... I'm sure they have a lot of things at various stages of development. Not saying the next aircraft definitely won't be the Viper, but I don't think you can take this as proof that it will be.
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