Some Indication Of Bird Strike?

[636_Castle]

I was doing some simulated strafes (simulated attacks in a simulator:P) and when I planted the stick rearward to rapidly climb away, my right engine failed. I tried an in-flight restart, but no joy. I figured it must have been a bird ingestion. When I looked at the debrief, it didn't show any events other than takeoff and land.

 

I was wondering if we could get some sort of an indication on whether or not there's engine damage. Normally you'd either be able to dodge the bird (as long as it's not a massive flock/murder of birds), and if not - be able to see the engine run quite rough and sputter, accompanied with some sparks and thumps, with visible blade damage when looking over your shoulder, indicating a restart would be unsafe. It's a shame not being given the cause of engine failure and no visual cues of bird ingestion - and it also makes it impossible to make a decision whether an in flight restart is necessary.

Edited March 29, 2011 by 636_Castle

[ESzczesniak]

...Normally you'd either be able to dodge the bird ...

 

Not too sure how likely that likely you would be to dodge a single bird. You won't have visual on that bird for very long before the strike at 180+ kts. At 60 mph in a car it can be hard enough.

[636_Castle]

Not too sure how likely that likely you would be to dodge a single bird. You won't have visual on that bird for very long before the strike at 180+ kts. At 60 mph in a car it can be hard enough.

 

I've seen it done more than once ;). (Although, only by Navy pilots). :punk:

 

But I'd like to at least see something in the debrief, if not outside/on the gauges.

Edited March 29, 2011 by 636_Castle

[Nate--IRL--]

You don't get much if any time to react.

 

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Nate

[Azazel]

She sounds cute. :-)

[Snoopy]

Some poor airmen got to clean up whatever guts were left from that bird....

 

I had to do that a few times when I was a young airmen....Nothing smells worse than cleaning up a dead birds guts out of the vertical stab in 100 plus degree south Georgia (USA) summer weather...

[Shinigami]

Well if they put bird in the sim they should have put some indication that you have been hit by one, if not they should.

 

On the other hand I I doubt that you can avoid a bird, according to my old man that is airliner pilot, he say that it doesn't give you time to do anything.

 

I like the part of be able to see the engine run quite rough and sputter, accompanied with some sparks and thumps, with visible blade damage when looking over your shoulder, indicating a restart would be unsafe.

 

1 up to that.

[Agg]

Id like to see birds in the sim as well, you probably wont be able to dodge them, but it certainly would be cool to see them before they hit you. And it would add a lot to the immersion.

[FZG_Immel]

Some poor airmen got to clean up whatever guts were left from that bird....

 

I had to do that a few times when I was a young airmen....Nothing smells worse than cleaning up a dead birds guts out of the vertical stab in 100 plus degree south Georgia (USA) summer weather...

 

 

done it myself..

 

here is what left of a pair of ducks eaten by the left engine of a F/A-18C at take off in early 2010.. We had to clean the runway quickly (manualy) before it would land again.. Engine was destroyed and needed to be replaced. Landed on 1 engine though, and as it was night and rainy, we used the arrestor cable too.

 

 

The smell was horrendous !

[Moa]

In X-Plane 9 you see a splat on the windscreen when you're hit.

[The Flying Goose]

In X-Plane 9 you see a splat on the windscreen when you're hit.

Call it creepy, but whenever the technology/programming becomes used in DCS, I certainly hope to be minding my own business and suddenly to have a huge bloody mess (no pun...) across my cockpit windscreen... all the bloodied up feathers to go with it too.:D At first I'd jump but I've got to admit I'd be grinnin right afterwards.:P

 

Oh, and raindrops on the glass :music_whistling:

[636_Castle]

You don't get much if any time to react.

 

Nate

 

I guess I can't Google videos for you guys to show you all, because I'm getting this from witnessed accounts. Obviously it's not a matter of turning away when it's a directly going to impact you, or if it's flying straight at you below the horizon. But if you're alert, looking ahead, and spot a goose or seagull on the horizon, you might only have between a half second, to a full second to react, yet still, a quick snap roll can save you, or position the airframe between the bird and the engines, so you don't lose one, or *it*. Just like you can jink out speeding bullets in the form of tracers.

 

HUD cameras don't do the human eye justice, so no point in comparing those anyway.

 

I'll just live with it I suppose. Maybe start a DCS:NTSB to find out the cause of certain power failures. ;)

Edited March 30, 2011 by 636_Castle

[Sharkster64]

I came face to face with a bald Eagle once while flying a Bell-47. I was busy navigating when I looked up and not even 15 yards away, I saw a bald eagle flying straight at me. It looked like we both saw each other at the same time, because I saw the bald eagle do a double take. I quickly moved the cyclic to the left and at the same time, the bald eagle swerved to its left and dived. It all happened very fast and I barely dodged that one. I was only doing 60 MPH in the Bell-47 at the time however. I'm sure if I was doing 180 knots in an F-15, I would not even have seen the bird. You also have to remember that when you are flying, your eyes are scanning a whole lot of sky. You can be looking at one part of the sky and not see the bird coming at you straight ahead. I am very rarely looking straight ahead when flying because my eyes are scanning the whole sky for aircraft that I could come in contact with. Its very easy to overlook a bird.

 

I agree that it would be nice to see if you were hit by a bird at the end of the mission. After all, in real life, if you land the plane, you will know if a bird hit you.

 

Check out these bird strikes.

http://www.bluegum.com/OddsEnds/Temp12/BirdBumps/

Edited March 30, 2011 by Sharkster64

[Kaiza]

I guess I can't Google videos for you guys to show you all, because I'm getting this from witnessed accounts. Obviously it's not a matter of turning away when it's a directly going to impact you, or if it's flying straight at you below the horizon. But if you're alert, looking ahead, and spot a goose or seagull on the horizon, you might only have between a half second, to a full second to react, yet still, a quick snap roll can save you, or position the airframe between the bird and the engines, so you don't lose one, or *it*. Just like you can jink out speeding bullets in the form of tracers.

 

HUD cameras don't do the human eye justice, so no point in comparing those anyway.

 

I'll just live with it I suppose. Maybe start a DCS:NTSB to find out the cause of certain power failures. ;)

 

Concur, you can see and avoid birds even up to 300 kts.

[Shinigami]

Sorry guys you all talking nonsense my father before being a airliner was a fighter pilot and he says that wen you get to see the bird is already to late, the only thing you can do it is to fly straight to see if it is the bird the one that avoids you.

[effte]

In my experience, the primary indication of a bird strike is usually hearing "holy crap, did we hit it?" over the intercom. Then you look for dents and blood after parking.

 

200 knots equals 100 meters per second. It takes one second to react. Then you have to move the controls, and the aircraft has to react to your control input significantly enough to change the trajectory. Yes, you can see birds at 100 meters - if you are looking right at them against a good backdrop. Usually, you are not looking right at them as you have other things to worry about, and the backdrop will be ground clutter.

 

Besides, the place where you are most likely to find birds is when down in the weeds. Not the place for abrupt unplanned manoeuvring. While bird strikes can do significant damage, hitting the ground does more damage.

 

Largish bird up high, such as a bird of prey circling in a thermal... allright, you've got a good chance. You're much more likely to be attacked by tens of the things launching from the ground as you approach though. SATBs - Surface to Air Tweety Birds. :)

 

Cheers,

Fred

[Krebs20]

I almost hit a bird on a downing leg runway 5 KRYV. Was looking at the runway, checking for traffic when suddenly I was starring at a Red tailed hawk. I will never forget the way it turned its head back and looked at me. I managed to yelp out bird. My flight instructor saw it right as I said bird and punched the yoke putting us into a dive. The hawk just went over the top of the left wing. I swear it was caught in the prop wash. We managed to land just fine and nothing was broke. But in a 152 at 80 knots, in traffic pattern, where 2 sets of eyes were looking for traffic. We didn't see a large hawk till the last 30 meters. I don't see how a fast jet or an airline would ever be able to dodge one like I did that day.

 

On topic. I would like to get a Que from in game on birdstrikes. At least in the summary.

Edited April 1, 2011 by Krebs20

[Sharkster64]

Just came across this bird strike video. Best bird strike video I have seen yet.:thumbup:

 

 

And another one.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc-XiO4ojzk&feature=related

Edited April 1, 2011 by Sharkster64

[Rhen]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=954589&postcount=13

 

Most birds you see are of course silhouetted against the sky. The ones you don't are usually silhouetted against the ground or hit you when you're attention is focused on something else other than visual lookout. Fighter pilots keep their eyes moving to try to spot someone trying to encroach on their flight. It's when you're involved in a task that requires more cranium processing unit cycles that your attention gets channelized on the pipper, in the case of the A-10 pilot, or cranium down in the cockpit that you miss the bird, so to speak. This happens when learning new tasks, in a training environment, or any time SA is degraded, and attention gets channelized.

 

An anecdote: A guy in my pilot training class was climbing out after a touch & go (circuit & bump for you Brits :smilewink:) in the Talon, when he hit a 5 lb. sandhill crane. He saw it after his gear and flaps were up and he was at 300 knots. He pulled the stick to the right and attempted to climb. If he hadn't done that, the crane would've hit the center of his canopy, possibly busting it and then he would be covered in shards and pieces of crane possibly losing vision. As it was, it shelled out his #1 engine (Utility hydraulics). He broke out of the closed pattern to enter the straight in pattern, had to alternate extend his gear, and he performed a perfect single-engine straight in. He got an "Atta boy!" from the wing commander for his skill.

[Frostiken]

I'm a USAF avionics dude at RAF Lakenheath, my last base was Mountain Home. Had a bird strike on one of our E-models... bird went through the top of the ramp louver, stayed inside it, went through the actuators, and then shot out the bypass ramp and then smeared across the top and then whatever was left smacked off the vert.

 

Imagine the velocity to punch a bird through the damn ramp :D

 

That said... I have my 'birds' in-game set to 400% and I've not seen a bird... from this thread, I take it they're invisible and you just take random engine damage? Because I was taking off and right at the end of the runway one of my engines blew up and caught fire. Figured it was a random catastrophic engine fail but maybe not...

[Shinigami]

My father told me an anecdote of one time he was in a Il-18 taking of from havana to Santiago and wen he reached to v2 something flashes on his left, bang warning noises all over, the plane start to pull from that side, with a hell of effort he manage to get the plane on the air, then declare the emergence and with only the motor of the left wing he manage to land again and nothing happens, beside the bad smell in the cockpit :) jejejeje.

 

After all the passenger got out he went to see the mess and in the middle of the left aileron was a hole the size of cal .30 and a mass of bird, feathers, like a pattee of liver(don't know hot to say it in english).

 

Is a shame I cant translate the story just like he told me it would been more funny and scary and the same time. sorry guys for my poor english.

 

Shinigami Out...

[BoneDust]

Some poor airmen got to clean up whatever guts were left from that bird....

 

I had to do that a few times when I was a young airmen....Nothing smells worse than cleaning up a dead birds guts out of the vertical stab in 100 plus degree south Georgia (USA) summer weather...

 

:megalol: I had a seagull rip a 2 foot hole in the leading edge of my aircraft once. They can do some serious damage.

[Smasher]

She sounds cute. :-)

 

+1

[Smokin Hole]

I've hit several birds. Once going into Chicago I hit a bird on final. It cracked the outer layer of the windscreen.

 

...I never squealed though. :-)

[gabesta]

The only birdstrike I ever had was leaving a small airfield on a night flight in a Cessna 150. Still not sure what kind of bird it was, but I think it may have been an owl. missed the prop and hit just below the windscreen. Scared the hell out of me at first. All I saw was a white flash, and no time to react.