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[Phantom88]

Fair enough,THX Nate :)

[Kuky]

I forsee problems in future if and when more DCS modules are released... if ED are to maintain their intentions of upgrading all released modules to latest features of latest DCS modules, with every new module there is more and more work on making this a reality.

 

Doing patch for currently 1 module (DCS Ka-50) is not so much work as it's single module to be redone and brought to latest standard (one of DCS A-10C) but with every next module this work will become huge.

 

So not to have one day ED say "damn, it's so much work to rework 4 DCS modules and pring them all to be compatible and same graphics/game engine, so let's just ditch this and not upgrade them any more" I think they should charge a small fee (say $5 per module) to have every one of your beloved DCS aircraft brought to same latest standard... I am sure one day, when there are 4 modules existing and 5th is being released... this scenario will become a reality... just imagine if it takes ED few months to bring patch for DCS Ka-50 so it has all graphich/ME/game features of DCS A-10C (such as cockpit chadows for example)... how long it will take to do 2...3...4 modules... every extra module should mean many more months to do the same.

[SUBS17]

No the current way is best not only will they have to upgrade KA50 but also FC2 but its in their own best interests to keep this going as the more aircraft, the more popular it will be over other sims. The best approach is modular with common engine amongst flyables a standard patch for all addons.

[Kuky]

Best for who? If you think about it, would you be doing months of work and have no income for it? And what do you think how long it would take them to patch say, 3 DCS modules like they need to do now for DCS Ka-50?

Edited May 17, 2011 by Kuky

[Frostiken]

Actually I have to admit, they really should break away from having three different engines already and work the aircraft as plug-ins to the engine, rather than having three 'almost the same' platforms. The entire reason we have problems between the three right now is because upgrades to A10's engine don't necessarily work on the older versions present in KA-50 and FC2.

 

To me it sounds like it'd pay dividends in the future to isolate the aircraft from the sim and then settle on a common 'engine module' between them all that gets the same global updates. If you spend the asspain getting both aircraft and the semi-aircraft of FC2 out of the way now and fix them all so they all run on the same codebase, everything should be much easier in the future, especially if they end up making it *four* versions of the 'core engine' when DCS: F-15E comes out.

 

And hey, maybe even open the engine up to modding :]~

[ZQuickSilverZ]

Frostiken I hope they NEVER, NEVER, open it up to modding. To me thats a terrible, terrible idea. The reason DCS titles are so appealing in my opinion is because they are as close to realistic as possible with a home computer. You let people start modding it and I PROMISE you, that all goes out the window. Just my opinion.

[Cali]

I would gladly pay $30 (maybe even more) for a patch like we got with FC2 to make DCS compatible. I haven't bought DCS A-10C yet cause I don't like flying with only it.

 

I hope they NEVER open it up for modding also. It's bad enough that we have some mods that use things never used on the real jets already. That would be the end of flying for me if that happened. I know the wife would be happy :D

[Irregular programming]

To me it sounds like it'd pay dividends in the future to isolate the aircraft from the sim and then settle on a common 'engine module' between them all that gets the same global updates.

 

I am pretty sure that is exactly what they have done from the start.

Edited May 17, 2011 by Irregular programming

[Grimes]

I really hope they just end up doing something clever with the patch so we don't have to have extra copies of shared content. The sound and bazar folders total to 6.5 gb. It just seems like a waste of space to have that stuff on there more than once.

[Boberro]

FC2 patch or FC3 with DCS not only would you give deeper immersion of battlefield but also would give additional income to company and extend LO life. Such chance can't be wasted.

 

About patching - I wish they added possibility to choose other flyable without module restart need. DCS and LO2 share almost all things don't know why it is not possible at all.

Edited May 17, 2011 by Boberro

[Cali]

FC2 patch or FC3 with DCS not only would you give deeper immersion of battlefield but also would give additional income to company and extend LO life. Such chance can't be wasted.

 

+100000000000000000000000000 :D

[Kuky]

FC2 patch or FC3 with DCS not only would you give deeper immersion of battlefield but also would give additional income to company and extend LO life. Such chance can't be wasted.

 

About patching - I wish they added possibility to choose other flyable without module restart need. DCS and LO2 share almost all things don't know why it is not possible at all.

 

 

That's one of the things I posted in DCS Wishlist section (but not one person replied to agree or disagree). One module to start the game and as you select what aircraft to fly it starts appropriate DCS module ... if you have it :smilewink:

 

Ideally, which is what Grimes posted also, is that common things like all world textures including terrain, aircraft and vehicles should be shared and no need to have multiple copies and only cockpit 3D to be in individual installations... BUT... this is not possible if you buy only 1 DCS module (in which case you need to have all of the above).. but then again it is possible if ED would make it possible to buy game and graphics engine on it's own (like FSX) and you buy individual aircraft... this way you won't have 4x the same terrain textures and what not on your HDD just wasting space.

[Boberro]

^^^^

 

I noticed choosing Ka-50 in LO will activate AI Ka-50 with your name. Everyone can do tests, just copy Ka-50 content to LO and check file connections. If you have a lot of time and you like modding maybe you will find a way to do this possible.

I copied Ka-50 cockpit, key controls and something else don't remember but so far it didn't work, I believe it can be done, but don't know why it is not by default.

I remember screenshots in Russian section of forum where you probably could fly fighters in Ka-50, but modder had to add something more to see them available.

Edited May 17, 2011 by Boberro

[starkey817]

So not to have one day ED say "damn, it's so much work to rework 4 DCS modules and pring them all to be compatible and same graphics/game engine, so let's just ditch this and not upgrade them any more" I think they should charge a small fee (say $5 per module) to have every one of your beloved DCS aircraft brought to same latest standard...

 

I am in complete agreement with you here, Kuky. To me a small fee would seem completely reasonable for this kind of patch. I see it on the same level as paying a monthly fee for MMOs like WoW or Planetside. A fee of around $15 would actually make me feel better about the patch since they are putting in the work for us. On top of that, it might motivate them to provide an even higher quality service than what they are already providing since they have been compensated for their efforts. Just my two cents.

 

-Dakota

[Blacknemisis]

I would rather spend that $ on other games that dont have yet like the Witcher 2, Crysis 2, and Total War Shogun. Dont mind paying for other plans but 15$ is alot to port Blackshark over which blackshark ai and other things are broken and its been over a year and still not fix yet.

[SUBS17]

Best for who? If you think about it, would you be doing months of work and have no income for it? And what do you think how long it would take them to patch say, 3 DCS modules like they need to do now for DCS Ka-50?

 

Patch-add 3d model DCS-10C MP- how hard is that. We have hundreds of flyables in FSX there is little difference in MP between adding 3d models in MP. Its pointless remaking a sim and losing all the previous work and starting again. Most popular sims have the most addon aircraft, and the potential for expanding and making it more popular is there. BTW if its made modular then the sim should have no problems accepting new addons and thats all 3(FC2, DCS KA50 and A-10C). Probably the best example I can mention is Arma2s six updater which downloads mods and installs them automatically. Its not quite the same as the complexity as a full blown jet combat sim but there is little difference in how it works. The biggest changes to the sim eg Multi-core, 64bit etc DX11 etc a modular program could be as easy for one addon as for all of them.:thumbup:

 

Of course its up to the devs as to how they go about it, from what I can see thats what they're aiming for. Potential for DCS/FC2- Ship addons, Tanks addons, train simulator, civ cars etc. With a good SDK thats possible.

[Sabre]

I would gladly pay $30 (maybe even more) for a patch like we got with FC2 to make DCS compatible.

 

Concur +1

 

Sabre.

[Frostiken]

Frostiken I hope they NEVER, NEVER, open it up to modding. To me thats a terrible, terrible idea. The reason DCS titles are so appealing in my opinion is because they are as close to realistic as possible with a home computer. You let people start modding it and I PROMISE you, that all goes out the window. Just my opinion.

 

The funny thing about mods is you can chose what and what not to install. Additionally, if you think mods automatically equals bullshit moron console horseshit, go peruse the selection of mods for ArmA 2. The admirable work that BI did with the game pales in comparison to the extent that many people have taken it.

 

I am pretty sure that is exactly what they have done from the start.

 

They haven't. FC2/LO, Blackshark, and A-10 all work on slightly different 'engines'. This is why there's such problems getting them all to play nice, and is also why you have to have three different installations. Ideally, you'd have just ONE "DCS" program that contains the game world. Any and all patches alter this. When you install KA-50, it'd see you have the game world already installed, and it would install the KA-50 plugin. They would all literally run on the same program. That there are such problems getting KA-50 and A-10 multiplayer working together is pretty much proof that the engines are too different from each other, when realistically they should never have a problem talking to each other as they'd all be running the same 'rules' and updated code.

[msalama]

is you can chose what and what not to install

 

Many folks perceive moddable / modded games as beneficial in MP cheating too, which is why he was a teeny bit upset there I think ;)

[Frostiken]

Anyone cheating in a flight sim has definitely got their priorities in the wrong order :D

[SuDepp]

...me can hardly await the patch....

 

Still missing the Shark a little these days....

 

Greets

S@uDepp

[SUBS17]

Many folks perceive moddable / modded games as beneficial in MP cheating too, which is why he was a teeny bit upset there I think ;)

 

Approved mods would be the way to go with a updater listing all the mods to download for MP compatibility.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

The funny thing about mods is you can chose what and what not to install. Additionally, if you think mods automatically equals bullshit moron console horseshit, go peruse the selection of mods for ArmA 2. The admirable work that BI did with the game pales in comparison to the extent that many people have taken it.

 

Your absolutely right. You can choose what to install. BUT you CAN'T choose what OTHER people install. And yes, I most certainly do think that mods automatically equal that rather colorful list you posted. I don't play ARMA. I have not played any ARMA mods. But I have seen video trailers and video posted on Youtube and ARMA itself is very arcadey in my opinion as far as vehicle physics and capabilities. You did little to change my stance on how I feel about open modding. If your trying to change my mind you better come with something alot heavier than ARMA.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

Approved mods would be the way to go with a updater listing all the mods to download for MP compatibility.

 

Approved Mods? Are you serious?

[Kuky]

I don't like open moding either... doing texture changes etc is fine but once people get into changing parameters for weapons, engines and what not... it's gone, and nobody be fooled thinking "why would anyone want to cheat in flight sim?" Not everyone that plays them loves aircraft and respects others and wishes to do the right thing... that is for sure and that will never change.