Compatibility Patch & Missing features of the Ka-50

[bogusheadbox]

Pretty sure step 3 isn't necessary. At least I can't remember having to fiddle with the datalink system to get it to work. You just need the skhval reset, the target point selected and the HMS deactivated. When all this is set, you uncage, and it'll activate and snap to the coordinates of the target point.

 

I have always used step 3. But i can't remember if it works without it.

 

I was sure you had to.... But to be honest not been in the shark for a bit now and i am starting to doubt myself.

[chromium]

I have always used step 3. But i can't remember if it works without it.

 

I was sure you had to.... But to be honest not been in the shark for a bit now and i am starting to doubt myself.

 

Same.. but... it doesn't matter a lot: does matter that Dragon find a way to let it work :).

 

But I think that these evening I'll give a try: not pressling "DL to ingress" isn't a big improvement on cockpit workload... but just to understand how it's intendet to work.

 

Thanks to Haril for the info! :)

[XarBat]

Isn't the non-functional missle jammer for laser guided missles? This means that you still won't get any warning about the other types of SAMs. It would still be fantastic if they made it functional.

[GGTharos]

Which part of 'there is no jammer mounted on the Ka-50' was not understood? There's a reason why it isn't functional. It isn't equipped.

[Cali]

GG, you blue in the face yet?

[GGTharos]

I never get blue in the face.

[BBQ]

The Ka-52 has that capability apparently--

 

from aviastar.org

 

AVIONICS: Integrated by Sextant Avionique, supplier of head-down displays, the Navigation and Attack System for Helicopters (NASH), Topowl helmet-mounted sight display, Nadir 10 navigation system.

 

Radar: Phazotron FH-01 Arbalet MMW radar installed in mast-mounted dome.

 

Flight: Nadir 10 nav system with Stratus laser gyro AHRS and Doppler radar.

Instrumentation: Arsenal Shchel-V helmet-mounted sight for weapons operator.

 

Mission: Samshit-E weapons control system above and behind the second cockpit, with TV, FLIR and laser range-finder and target designator. Thomson-CSF FLIR (or optional Russian Khod FLIR) integrated with Shkval electro-optical (TV) sighting system in ball above fuselage aft of canopy. Smaller ball for optical sight under fuselage. Windows for laser range-finder and IR camera in nose turret.

 

Self-defence: Active IR and electronic jamming units; UV-26 flare/chaff dispensers in wingtip fairings. Warning equipment includes Pastel (L150) RWR, Mak (L136) IR and Otklik (L140) laser system.

[EtherealN]

The Ka-52 should be considered a completely different helicopter. It actually saw some real development after the collapse of the Soviet Union. What the Ka-52 has is as relevant to the Ka-50 as what the Mi-28 has - not at all. ;)

[GGTharos]

And is DCS: BlackShark simulating the Ka-52 as a playable aircraft?

 

The Ka-52 has that capability apparently--

[BBQ]

Just thought I'd mention it. I put Ka-52 in bold, in order to emphasize it was not the Ka-50. However--I would argue that the Ka-52 is more relevant to the Ka-50 than the Mi-28. I believe the Ka-52 has a dual rotor configuration, like the Ka-50 ;)

[BBQ]

What's funner than running and gunning with the Ka-50? Doing it with your wife in the Ka-52!!!

[GGTharos]

.. because you always wanted to be nagged with things like 'Center your steering!' and 'Are you SURE you shouldn't have taken a left here?' not to mention, 'Look, you got us shot down' followed by 'You should have stopped and asked for directions'.

[EtherealN]

However--I would argue that the Ka-52 is more relevant to the Ka-50 than the Mi-28. I believe the Ka-52 has a dual rotor configuration, like the Ka-50 ;)

 

But what an Mi-24 has isn't exactly relevant to what an Mi-28 has - and they're both tailrotor configuration. ;)

 

Anyways, the real thing is that the Ka-50 is a program that wasn't really continued after the soviet union collapsed (aside from fitting an ABRIS to it), while the Ka-52 did see continued development. That's 20 years development difference. ;)

 

Think of it like this - there's a radical difference between this:

 

 

and this:

 

[BBQ]

.. because you always wanted to be nagged with things like 'Center your steering!' and 'Are you SURE you shouldn't have taken a left here?' not to mention, 'Look, you got us shot down' followed by 'You should have stopped and asked for directions'.

 

Not to mention

 

"But I like the new center trim option. I don't know why you can't fly with it."

[BBQ]

But what an Mi-24 has isn't exactly relevant to what an Mi-28 has - and they're both tailrotor configuration. ;)

 

Anyways, the real thing is that the Ka-50 is a program that wasn't really continued after the soviet union collapsed (aside from fitting an ABRIS to it), while the Ka-52 did see continued development. That's 20 years development difference. ;)

 

Think of it like this - there's a radical difference between this:

 

 

 

and this:

 

 

 

I've often wondered why they didn't continue on with the ka-50, and even more so, why they did continue with the alligator, which I thought, was basically just a trainer.

[GGTharos]

Because it's a single seater, and no one really wants single-seat attack helis.

[EtherealN]

Many reasons I suspect, and it'll be hard to ever say with certainty which ones were the really important ones, but some that might play a part:

 

1 - Politics. The Ka-50 is intended as an army helicopter and was in direct competition with the Mi-28. However, the tradition in the soviet arms establishment was that Kamov Bureou makes choppers for the navy and Mil Bureou makes choppers for the army.

 

2 - Money. There was essentially four programmes ongoing for attack helicopters - modernisations of the Mi-24, the Mi-28, the Ka-50 and the Ka-52. Someone had to get the axe and the most radical one got it (being single-seat).

 

3 - Single-seat. This in itself might have been a contributing factor. The Ka-50 does make a pretty good job of reducing pilot workload, sure, but it might not have been enough and two-seater choppers eventually won out.

 

The Alligator isn't a trainer. One of the concepts for their use would be to have formations of Ka-50's backed up by a couple Ka-52's filling a command/control role.

[104th_Crunch]

I look forward to the compatibility patch. The one thing i think that needs to get fixed is the LWR in multiplayer. Never mind a RWR, the LWR does not even work when hosting with FC2. It will mostly if using Blackshark to host, but then FC2 jets have bugged RWRs.

 

I think the compat. patches are not as easy as everyone thinks. While adding new features for sure would be cool, let ED get the compat. down first.

[umkhunto]

@ winz:

You can lock a target by shkval and do a laser range measuring. Then you can save the target position into your ABRIS and send this position to your wingmans (Datalink).

Once you received this Datalink you can aligne your Shkval to this position automatically.

BUT you can not enter coordinates and aligne the Shkval to them.

You only can enter coordinates to create waypoints but you can not aligne the Shkval to a waypoint (only to a Datalink).

 

- Press TGT NAV on PVI-800

- Press desired TGT NAV point number, e.g. 1

- Uncage Shkval

 

Result: Shkval slews to selected TGT point. Thus, if given coords and if program them into the PVI-800 as TGT NAV points, you can slew the Shkval to any coordinate. :)

[RodrigoMF_BR]

Many reasons I suspect, and it'll be hard to ever say with certainty which ones were the really important ones, but some that might play a part:

 

1 - Politics. The Ka-50 is intended as an army helicopter and was in direct competition with the Mi-28. However, the tradition in the soviet arms establishment was that Kamov Bureou makes choppers for the navy and Mil Bureou makes choppers for the army.

 

2 - Money. There was essentially four programmes ongoing for attack helicopters - modernisations of the Mi-24, the Mi-28, the Ka-50 and the Ka-52. Someone had to get the axe and the most radical one got it (being single-seat).

 

3 - Single-seat. This in itself might have been a contributing factor. The Ka-50 does make a pretty good job of reducing pilot workload, sure, but it might not have been enough and two-seater choppers eventually won out.

 

The Alligator isn't a trainer. One of the concepts for their use would be to have formations of Ka-50's backed up by a couple Ka-52's filling a command/control role.

 

How many Ka-50 was built and buyed by de russian army ?

 

I´m a private helicopter student and i love DCS Black Shark and can´t understand all the complains of people.

[EtherealN]

How many Ka-50 was built and buyed by de russian army ?

 

I don't remember with absolute certainty, but I think it was 12, and a few kept by Kamov as well. I'm not 100% on that though.

Edited July 8, 2011 by EtherealN
Brainfart.

[RodrigoMF_BR]

Thank´s!

 

I can´t wait for the compability patch.

 

Great job, well done!

[MTFDarkEagle]

Numbers according to wikipedia:

 

Ka-50: 15 as of 2006

Ka-52: 10 as of 2006

[Gunnergolly]

Will the fly through trees be addressed in the future ?...

 

Not really an issue whist in the A-10C, but when playing the KA-50 and you get shot down by tree proof missiles/ordanance...............kind of spoils the fun...

 

Im guessing that this has'nt already been addressed due to the extra processing power/calculations that would be required ??.

[AlphaOneSix]

It's a limitation of the current graphics engine. Rewriting or implementing a new graphics engine is lower on the list of priorities that other tasks, but it is certainly on the list for the future.