1.1.0.9 Corrupt TGP AGAIN!!

[Quirkitized]

Thank you all for being patient with me and brainstorming with me. It was a frustrating journey but the process of elimination was good and good things came out of this.

 

Please see this thread for the fix: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=77542

 

 

 

 

 

Patch 1.1.0.8 TGP Corrupt jaggies

 

Patch 1.1.0.9 TGP Corrupt jaggies (it gets as bad as the above img, just took this one and posted)

 

In 1.1.0.8 I tried various settings, SLI off, SLI on, stock system & normal o/c. Also tried various gpu drivers.

 

I really don't feel like going through all this again to find out nothing will fix it. What is the problem here? Every since we could play the beta on pre-order and upto 1.1.07 I didn't have this problem.

 

If it matters, playing 6000x1080 one monitor setting, high settings, civ. off, mirrors off, hdr normal, tsaa off, vysnc on, cockpit shadows on.

Edited July 26, 2011 by Quirkitized

[combatace]

Yeah, the pin-point strike is still a mess, not fixed yet.

[104th_Crunch]

If it matters, playing 6000x1080 one monitor setting, high settings, civ. off, mirrors off, hdr normal, tsaa off, vysnc on, cockpit shadows on.

 

Is that right 6000 x 1080?? I am sorry, but that does not sound like a normal resolution a software company would test to make sure it works.

[159th_Viper]

A wee favour to ask if you please;

 

If you are going to report an issue, at least do so properly -

 

Yeah, the pin-point strike is still a mess, not fixed yet.

 

Really does not help at all, does it, apart from effectively extinguishing 10 secs for no good cause for all the time it took to read the post.

 

Please.

[Quirkitized]

A wee favour to ask if you please;

 

If you are going to report an issue, at least do so properly -

 

 

 

Really does not help at all, does it, apart from effectively extinguishing 10 secs for no good cause for all the time it took to read the post.

 

Please.

 

What else do you want me to say? I've gave the graphic settings I use, and my computer hardware, it's also in my sig. I've also said I tried changing every graphic option aswell as various graphic card drivers, SLI, no sli.

 

The problem is this problem has been reported multiple times but still exists with basically no thought, i am asking you guys what else you need from me. So please give me what info you need. I am here to help because I want help getting this solved.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Quirkitized

[Quirkitized]

Is that right 6000 x 1080?? I am sorry, but that does not sound like a normal resolution a software company would test to make sure it works.

 

People without multi-monitors have this issue.

[159th_Viper]

What else do you want me to say? I've gave the graphic settings I use, and my computer hardware, it's also in my sig.

 

The problem is this problem has been reported multiple times but still exists, i am asking you guys what else you need for me. So please give me what info you need.

 

I was referring to the post of combatace as quoted and not yours. Not only is it in the wrong sub-forum, but in your thread that has nothing to do with the new issue he is attempting to report.

[Quirkitized]

Oh, sorry. His quote in your post was under your text about reporting a problem properly so figured it was towards me.

 

I been around long enough, I just want to be helpful in anyway I can. Love the game and the people, I'm just frustrated i've tried everything i can think of on my end.

 

Please let me know if you guys have any ideas. Thanks.

[snwboardn]

man with no SLI... i haven't a clue... If you have the time... try to take out one of your Gpu's like physically... I know it is a pain for just one game but it would at least start ruling things out...

[159th_Viper]

... If you have the time... try to take out one of your Gpu's like physically... I know it is a pain for just one game but it would at least start ruling things out...

 

I would concur.

 

Start at a base-system, ie one monitor with a single card (average user system) and slowly add peripherals until the culprit is unearthed. I know that this is not what you want to hear but in my limited knowledge is does appear to point to a hardware as opposed to software issue.

 

Be that as it may, your patience is appreciated and rest assured that we'll do all we can to get this issue resolved.

[Quirkitized]

Believe it or not, I did try that in patch 1.1.0.8.

 

Here is a breakdown of what I have tried (be it in patch 1.1.0.8 or 1.1.0.9 so far). This is all I can think of off the top of my head that I have done (honest, 100% on this). I might of missed a couple things.

 

PLEASE see below the list what my theory is on this.

 

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  1. GPU: Tried with one GTX 580 and both GTX 580s
   
  2. Display Drivers: Nvidia drivers 263.09, 266.58, 267.31, 270.51, 270.61, 275.27, 275.33
   
  3. Driver settings: Default and have tried various other custom settings
   
  4. Monitor settings:I have tried single monitor @ 1920x1080 and (obviously) multi-monitor @5760x1080 normal rez & 6000x1080 bezel corrected ress
   
  5. Every graphic option at lowest setting. Every graphic option at highest setting. Cockpit display 256, 512, 512 every, 1024, 1024 every. I also have put everything at low/off and worked my way to med on each, then high on each, then turned things on. I think cockpit shadows is the problem (see text below the list)
   
  6. TrackIR 5 ON and OFF. Also tried with it on with hatclip and trackclip pro.
   
  7. Mirrors on, Mirrors off. (When mirrors are on, your TGP doesn't display graphical errors. However, the mirror does. With mirrors off, TGP gets the graphical errors and not the mirror.)
   
  8. With and without my HOTAS connected, same goes for rudder pedals.
   
  9. Computer 100% stock and my normal overclock. It isn't a heat issue, case is very good well vented, two 180mm fans blowing on my 580s. Temps stay safe anywhere from 60-75 depending on load.
   
  

 

 

As I've stated before, this was never a problem for me. From lockon games, to black shark, to pre-order Beta A10 game and upto 1.1.0.7. My thoughts on this is it must be the cockpit shadows. What else....graphically has drastically changed/improved/implemented since 1.1.0.8 that these threads came up?

 

Well in 1.1.0.8 I thought I fixed it by turning off cockpit shadows, but eventually it came back. Now in 1.1.0.9 from a quick 5min flight without Cockpit Shadows on, it hasn't happened. That's not to say it won't happen again though, as in the last patch it did eventually happen. I start to notice it at first when only moving my TGP cursor around, you first get the jaggy lines. But then after awhile they will be static and appear all the time instead of only when moving the cursor in your TGP.

 

When it does happen, it happens on the breaks of the field textures, if I am even describing that correctly. I think you can get what I mean by the screen shots. When there is multiple fields/changes in scenery you get a lot of the jagged lines (see first screen shot) whereas if it's an open area (screenshot 2) it's not as pronounced.

 

It's hard to live without cockpit shadows, and for now it might be a temp fix, but again it may come back.

 

Hopefully this helps. I'd really like to see this get looked at and I ofcourse will try anything else you guys can come up with but you can see my frustration after trying so many things.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Quirkitized

[159th_Viper]

Just had a quick look at other threads - are you aware of any ATI users suffering the same malady? At present it seems a NVIDIA-specific issue.

[Quirkitized]

I do not recall ATI users having this issue from what I remember. I do believe you are right in saying it's an nvidia issue. I've tried all the drivers available for my GTX 580's. Have no knowledge on coding but crossing my fingers the masterminds at ED can figure it out.

[159th_Viper]

I do not recall ATI users having this issue from what I remember. I do believe you are right in saying it's an nvidia issue. I've tried all the drivers available for my GTX 580's. Have no knowledge on coding but crossing my fingers the masterminds at ED can figure it out.

 

Do me a favour and please post a quick track of the issue together with a screenshot of all your settings and I'll run with it from there. One more thing - prior to posting, kindly confirm correct playback via the 'Replay' tab.

 

Ta

[Quirkitized]

Here is the Track, Screenshot and a Video (video at bottom)

 

The track worked correctly for me (playback) I am not sure how it will work for people with one monitor, unless u have three.. I set up the track and video so I could guarantee the bug, I can do this 100% of the time with the below settings (cockpit shadows on and mrrors on.)

 

The TGP gets the same graphical bug as the mirrors but it's harder to replicate because it seems random when it happens. Can be 1min or 20min, this is a guarantee soon as I turn on the TGP you can see it in the mirrors so I went with this.

 

Here is my settings (mirrors ON, not shown in pic.) This is a fresh full 1109 install, no mods.

 

Here is a video (24mb, used media player classic to view.) This video is of the track, it's harder to see on a single screen but focus on the mirrors and when I turn on/off the TGP.

 

http://quirkitized.com/dcs/tgpmirrorbug.mpg

tgpbug.trk

[159th_Viper]

Ta

 

Just to confirm - this is with SLI disabled, right?

[Quirkitized]

SLI was enabled.

[159th_Viper]

SLI was enabled.

 

Assuming same result with SLI disabled?

[Quirkitized]

Yeah, in patch 1108 I got same result with or without SLI enabled. I will try disabling it for 1109 and see.

[Quirkitized]

Ok for patch 1109 here as results with SLI Disabled.

 

SLI Disabled with same settings as above screenshot (1920x1080 res however because cannot do three-screen w/out sli) I got no corrupt graphics.

 

With SLI enabled, 1920x1080 res, I got corrupt graphics.

 

So I guess it's narrowed down to SLI + Cockpitshadow issue? Would be interesting to hear other peoples reports that had this same problem.

 

If there is anything else I can do let me know.

 

edit: one thing i forgot to mention, if it matters, I am using Win7 64bit and 64bit a10c.

[toby23]

I found a fix for SLI, see HERE

[Quirkitized]

This does not fix the problem with corrupt mirrors/tgp.

 

I still have to turn off cockpit shadows.

 

Edit: in reply to your other thread, yes if you turn off mirrors it will *appear* the corruption is gone but it is very random when the TGP gets corrupt, it can take a 5min to 30min for it to happen. Having mirrors on is a guaranteed way to check if it's fixed. Please try your settings with mirrors on and let me know if you get corrupt mirrors. If you do get corrupt mirrors, please turn off cockpit shadows and try again and report back. Also, make sure your TGP is turned on to see if your mirrors are corrupt.

Edited July 25, 2011 by Quirkitized

[Quirkitized]

toby have you tried what i asked above? if you can when you have some free time that would be appreciated, thank you.

[Quirkitized]

Well viper, I tried to play again. Did first mission of the campaign, mirrors off and cockpit shadows off.

 

About 10min into the mission, my TGP became corrupt. So just like 1108, turning cockpit shadows off does not help. I am back at square one. I didn't record a track, but I can do so in future if needed.

 

I am very depressed because of having a TM Warthog, TrackIr, Saitek rudder pedals and for the past two patches it has been unplayable...it's just so hard to play without using TGP or Mavs.

 

I can't justify turning off SLI, going back to one monitor for one game, for only an hour of playtime here and there. I could go back to 1107 I guess but so many other bugs have been fixed since.

 

I am in desperate need of a fix. If anybody else with SLI could post their results, let me know.

[WarriorX]

First a few questions.....

 

What are your card fans set to?

 

What are your card's temps at while running the sim?

 

What power supply are you running all those cards on?

 

 

Here is what I am doing, maybe it will give you some ideas of what to try.

 

I am running 2 GTX 580's in SLI with a resolution of 1920X2280. I run the sim on one monitor and HELIOS on the 2nd monitor.

 

I run my Nvidia profile for DCS Blackshark with SLI rendering mode set at Force Alternate frame rendering 2. (This causes the clouds to flicker sometimes)

 

I am using driver 275.33

 

Both my active monitors are running out of the card closest to the CPU.

 

Mirrors off; 1024 every frame; TSAA ON; HDR ON: Water low; cockpit shadows ON; everything else on HIGH; Bushes set to 0;

Edited July 26, 2011 by WarriorX