Treudd Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Hi! I'm very satisfied with my Warthog HOTAS joystick! Worth the money. Well, how do you control you rudders if you don't have pedals? Keyboard? Something controls on the joystick? I don't want to purchase pedals, because I use rudders very little while flying. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PhoenixBvo Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 TM Warthog is built for realism, realism means rudder pedals, period. Sorry, not the answer you were looking for, but true...;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator
nemises Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 if you had another joystick, or analogue controller around you could use that as an Axis for rudders? ...if you removed the spring from a cheapo joystick you could set up soemthing nice with a bit of glue and a piece of wood :)
Yskonyn Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 ^ Google for DIY rudder pedals. You would be amazed to see how far you would come with an old joystick and some DIY skills. ;) While I agree rudder pedals would be the last piece of kit to invest in after getting a proper HOTAS and TrackIR, I would recommend to invest in a good pedal set nonetheless. In A-10C winds are decently modelled and you can make proper crosswind landings with pedals, besides; the A-10 has some serious maneuverability at low speeds where using rudder pedals can pull of some cool tricks. If you use a keyboard for rudder the downside is that a keypress is an instant 100% rudder pedal input. It's not an axis. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
oscarfg Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Hi. I had the same problem, how to get rudder functional without having pedals. My solution was to use the MIC Switch on the throttle (positions up and down), but with the penalization of opening radio menus using keyboard. Not very realistic, but works for me. Regards!
PhoenixBvo Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 In A-10C winds are decently modelled and you can make proper crosswind landings with pedals, besides; the A-10 has some serious maneuverability at low speeds where using rudder pedals can pull of some cool tricks. Exactly. Think of your GAU-8. With some practice you can neatly spread fire across a column using proper rudder pedals. Basically, every dynamic situation where you need to point your nose at something requires rudder input. Also crosswind formation takeoff would be next to impossible without proportional rudder input. The toebrakes help you to control turns during taxi and to stay on the runway while nosewheel steering is turned off. And perhaps you want to fly the KA-50 or DCS:<US fixed-wing fighter> some time? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator
sobek Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Think of your GAU-8. With some practice you can neatly spread fire across a column using proper rudder pedals. Basically, every dynamic situation where you need to point your nose at something requires rudder input. Uhg. It gives me the willies when i read this. What do you have a PAC for when all you do is throw it off it's game? You are not supposed to attack a column from the side. The only strafing you should ever do is in the pitch axis. Yaw axis completely screws up your aiming. And pointing your nose should involve rolling. Uncoordinated flight is the mother of all 'FUUUUUUUUUU, i missed by more than a mile, WTH?' incidents. Also crosswind formation takeoff would be next to impossible without proportional rudder input. The toebrakes help you to control turns during taxi and to stay on the runway while nosewheel steering is turned off. And perhaps you want to fly the KA-50 or DCS:<US fixed-wing fighter> some time? With this on the other hand, i do fully agree. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
PhoenixBvo Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Uhg. It gives me the willies when i read this. What do you have a PAC for when all you do is throw it off it's game? You are not supposed to attack a column from the side. The only strafing you should ever do is in the pitch axis. Yaw axis completely screws up your aiming. And pointing your nose should involve rolling. Uncoordinated flight is the mother of all 'FUUUUUUUUUU, i missed by more than a mile, WTH?' incidents. Yeah, yeah. Calm down. I've been flying black Shark again, where yawing while firing makes perfect sense. That must have scewed up my thoughts. You're right about the GAU-8, although I recall instances where some missalignment w.r.t. a column can be compensated for with the rudder (PAC disengaged). I'm talking about very careful inputs here. Also, the PAC has limited control authority and may start wandering off target if the trimming is off e.g. by increasing speed during a dive. With some minor constant rudder input you can adjust the aim to keep the pipper on target. Pointing the nose with pitch and roll is all fine for setting up an attack, but yaw is the missing angle for minor adjustments. You won't have time to roll and pitch at the last instant when the target drifts sideways. That's where, for me at least, rudder pedals are essential. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator
Rat.NL Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I use the increase/decrease slider on the throttle. Work's for me [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WildBillKelsoe Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Hi! I'm very satisfied with my Warthog HOTAS joystick! Worth the money. Well, how do you control you rudders if you don't have pedals? Keyboard? Something controls on the joystick? I don't want to purchase pedals, because I use rudders very little while flying. get CH pro rudder. Lots of positive feedback. Very good company and products top notch. Havent tried it myself, but previous saitek owners consistently praise CHP. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
tjhowse Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I have the pinkie paddle set up as a shift key that changes roll into yaw. Works well because you rarely have to use the rudder and ailerons at the same time.
PhoenixBvo Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Uhuh... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator
Aginor Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I think was PhoenixBvo is trying to say is: Buy some rudder pedals. For example those from Saitek which are quite good I am told. I can't advise something different, because I don't want to lie to you. The only possibility to have precise rudder control is to use rudder pedals. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
SmokeyTheLung Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) Uhg. It gives me the willies when i read this. What do you have a PAC for when all you do is throw it off it's game? You are not supposed to attack a column from the side. The only strafing you should ever do is in the pitch axis. Yaw axis completely screws up your aiming. And pointing your nose should involve rolling. Uncoordinated flight is the mother of all 'FUUUUUUUUUU, i missed by more than a mile, WTH?' incidents. I always find this reaction humorous... I get it, for a point target PAC is your friend. For PAC to be as stable as possible, control inputs should be minimal. Yaw inputs, arguably, being the the most detrimental to a good solution. Fair point. Are you always shooting at tanks though? Are you always using PAC? Have you ever flown a mission where you don't have the luxury of lining up on a moving target with the perfect aspect? If you can't maintain "coordinated" flight while using rudder inputs, you should probably practice it. This coming, with humility, from the guy who couldn't take gas from the tanker until you gave me some pointers :D Edited August 12, 2011 by SmokeyTheLung System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
sobek Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 If you can't maintain "coordinated" flight while using rudder inputs, you should probably practice it. Well, we are talking about strafing here, arent we? I'd like you to show me how you strafe with the rudder, maintaining the ball centered. :) Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
SmokeyTheLung Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Track incoming :) System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
Frostiken Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 get CH pro rudder. Lots of positive feedback. Very good company and products top notch. Havent tried it myself, but previous saitek owners consistently praise CHP. CH has a reputation for ruggedness and reliability. Pricier than Saitek but with Saitek you get what you pay for. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SmokeyTheLung Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Not exactly on topic... But here's a short track with a strafe using rudders to place the pipperrudder_strafe.trk System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
Dodgeza Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I've got my logitech steering wheel plugged in... I use the pedals as rudders :-D works perfect... "Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing" - Winston Churchill _________________ Windows 7 64bit - AMD 1090T OC @ 4.02ghz NB @2.6ghz - MSI 990FXA-GD80 - 4x Geil Black Dragon 2GB 9-9-9-28 @ 1666mhz - 2x Geforce 580 GTX SLI OC @ Core 900Mhz Shaders 1800Mhz Memory 2100Mhz - Samsung 24" T240 @ 1900 x 1200 - 2 x Velicoraptor 150GB HDD - TM Warthog - Track IR 5 - Saitek Rudder Pedals - iPad & iPad2 running iControl DCS
cichlidfan Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I am still trying to figure out how you can spend $500 on a stick without considering that you will still need rudder control. Sure with the A-10 in the air you can get by with little or no rudder use in many situations but is this the only flight sim you ever plan on flying? I have no complaints about my Saitek Combat rudder pedals except perhaps the price!:D ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Aginor Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 For the rudder use: Even if you don't strafe using rudders, just think about crosswind landings! Without using rudders those are a major pain in the a.... DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
kra961 Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 The Aircraft you are flying is a Gun platform first and foremost the aircraft nose needs to be able swivel, that means rudder input :pilotfly:if nothing else get some cheap peddles its well worth the cost _________________________________________ Win7 x64, I7-950 HD 5800 ThrustMaster Hotas WartHog, IRTracker 5, ThrustMaster Saitek Pro Flight Rudder, MFD Couger V2
sobek Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 The Aircraft you are flying is a Gun platform first and foremost the aircraft nose needs to be able swivel Foremost the nose needs to be ably to be steady. :) Rudder pedals are a breeze though, take it from someone who flew for at least 10 years without them. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
kra961 Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Foremost the nose needs to be ably to be steady. :) Rudder pedals are a breeze though, take it from someone who flew for at least 10 years without them. LOL what you said :smartass: _________________________________________ Win7 x64, I7-950 HD 5800 ThrustMaster Hotas WartHog, IRTracker 5, ThrustMaster Saitek Pro Flight Rudder, MFD Couger V2
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