X65F or Warthog Hotas?

[ArtMan_NL]

Hi all,

 

i am thinking to buy a new Hotas. The problem is I can't make a good choice between these 2.

 

I was wondering about the difference in build quality and the quality of the software delivered with these 2 hotas.

 

The difference in price isn't much anymore just 20 euro here in the Netherlands.

 

Arthur

Edited September 7, 2011 by ArtMan_NL

[CADelta]

Hey ArtMan_NL,

 

Could you please state what Sim you will primarily be using it for?

If it's for DCS A-10C then Warthog no doubt mate, actually my vote will be on Warthog all the way, it's build quality and it's feel is in one word Sublime :D

 

/Krycek

[ArtMan_NL]

He Krycek,

 

I use it for BS and A10. (Just started with A10)

 

I know both Hotas have advantages en disadvantages but the most important thing is the quality for me. I know the older hotas of thrust master wasn't that good....(without the expensive mods)

 

 

Arthur

[Sarge55]

I use my Warthog for A-10C, BS, FC2 and yes, even in ARMA2 and it works great. Like CADelta I love the feel and build of the Warthog but to be fair I have not used the X-65F to be able to provide a true comparison.

 

With respect to software though, if the X-65F software is anything like it's predecessor the X-52Pro SST it is crap....

 

Since the X-65F has a twist function for the rudder (I'm pretty sure) that is an advantage over the Warthog since you would need to get pedals, unless of course you already have a some.

[ArtMan_NL]

Thanks for your reply Sarge55,

 

Yes I have rudderpedals so thats not an issue. How about the software of the Warthog. Is it easy to use and well explained in a manual?

 

Arthur

[MTFDarkEagle]

It's easy to use once you get used to it.

It can be a bit difficult at start, but pull through and the software is quite powerfull!

[WRFirefox]

The Warhog was my first choice - but yesterday the "Saitek-Devil" found the X65F for 222,90 € at ebay - so the difference in price is, round about, 100 € - much money for my Pit (hardware-update, panels ......) - so the "Saitek-Devil" wins the battle against the "TM Warthog-Angel" :devil_2: - and there are only 4 left for this price......:pilotfly:

[MTFDarkEagle]

The Warhog was my first choice - but yesterday the "Saitek-Devil" found the X65F for 222,90 € at ebay - so the difference in price is, round about, 100 € - much money for my Pit (hardware-update, panels ......) - so the "Saitek-Devil" wins the battle against the "TM Warthog-Angel" :devil_2: - and there are only 4 left for this price......:pilotfly:

cheap-ass :D

[WRFirefox]

Envy-ass

......:harhar:.....

Edited September 8, 2011 by WRFirefox

[elchacal]

For DCS A-10 I think that the TMWH is the best choice!

[WRFirefox]

....with certainty is the TMWH a high-class choice. But I would like to develop the whole system. And there exists only a restricted finance frame.

And with this well-arranged offer of the X65F there are still Saitek Pedals in the budget without any cent more......:smilewink:

[Dudikoff]

Had the same dilemma. Was pretty sure I'd get the Warthog, but the frequent posts describing various problems and malfunctions got me thinking. Then I found a supposedly barely used X65 on ebay for 150 EUR (about twice less then what I'd pay for the Warthog - I'd have gone for the new unit because of the many problems) and couldn't resist the opportunity.

 

Unfortunately, it will be some time before I get my hands on it so I can't give you any impressions. Yes, this post is completely useless.

[ArtMan_NL]

Yes, this post is completely useless.

 

No, I find it useful. :thumbup:

 

 

A lot of people like the warthog because it fits the A-10. I don't want to put all my cards on one simulator.

[ilikepie]

I don't want to put all my cards on one simulator.

 

i use the WH: hotas on different things, ROF IL2 BS ....... i chose the WH over a 65 as i did not like the force sensing on the 65. i wanted a stick with travel.

 

Horses for courses though

[BigBANGtheory]

I am going to answer your question in a round a-bout fashion if you don't mind...

 

I honestly look forward to the day I see Saitek develop a top-end control system that surpasses the TM Hotas Warthog.

[MTFDarkEagle]

i use the WH: hotas on different things, ROF IL2 BS ....... i chose the WH over a 65 as i did not like the force sensing on the 65. i wanted a stick with travel.

I'm 100% with you! I also use the WH for several other sims! Rise Of Flight, IL-2 (1946 and CoD), DCS:BS, FSX... BMS..

[Steel Jaw]

So which would be better for primarily Falcon? x65 or TMWH?

[MTFDarkEagle]

If I were to make a guess.. the WH, because the stick is identical. However, I cannot say anything on the throttle, as I don't know the F-16's logic yet.

[Steel Jaw]

The TMWH thorottle seems very bulky and awkward...?

[Total]

The WH was out of my price range, but it bothered me seeing the reports of people paying $500 for a HOTAS and it dying on some of them. That's a good chunk of cash.

 

Saitek's customer support is not as robust as it once was. That worried me.

 

If the WH is out of your price range, I would suggest going with CH instead of the X-65. CH's are known for their longevity and they're more affordable than the X-65, and their customer support is still active and involved. They've also been in business since 1977 working on motion controls for commercial, industrial, and military.

[Steel Jaw]

IIRC CH has not come out with anything new for HOTAS lately, just the same old stuff from years ago.

[Total]

Why mess up a proven design? ;)

 

I do wish it had a split throttle, but for the price, something had to give.

[cichlidfan]

Warthog, $349 plus shipping at TigerDirect.

 

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6524339&CatId=141

 

Lowest I have ever seen it, by $100.:)

[Steel Jaw]

Looking at the x65 this Fall.

 

TM has soured me with the treachery of their Cougar.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Looking at the x65 this Fall.

 

TM has soured me with the treachery of their Cougar.

Your loss :)