my feedback on DCS

[TheMoose]

My personal feedback on the DCS A10, graphics wise it’s a 10, however looking back at the game play of Flaming Cliff 2 and it predecessors. Lockon actually gave the ultimate, the in “between” of arcade and serious simulations. With this new add-on, well, it’s overwhelming for me. I don’t have the time to learn as such as I would. (life priorities) for me it’s too much. The arcade mode well again for me it’s too easy.

 

I really enjoyed the balance of Lockon. Took some time to master, but was acceptable. Even If I bought DCS-10. To be honest. I don’t play it. Too many buttons to configure on my joystick. Half of the layout , heck I don’t even understand what it is or does…

 

 

At least with Blackshark we have a cheat combo startup sequence.

Bare with me, I can learn, I just don’t have the time. Please insert a quick cheat for startup sequence for DCS A10 for the remaining of us. That would be appreciated.

 

 

For the others, please refrain. This is not a flame war. I respect the level of fidelality that ED has brought. It’s awesome. However to be honest RTFM, well it’s 5 inches thick, and yes I have a print copy of it, that’s how fidel I am. It’s just too much… Hopefully Flaming Cliff2 will get its day. Version 3 maybe…

 

My respectful 2 cents.

 

 

Cheers ED

[Irregular programming]

A10 has a cheat startup sequence. Just look in the keymapper, I can't remember it right now.

[BlackRazor]

Moose you are mixing up two different brands produced by the same software house: Lockon is a series of survey sims whereas DCS is a series of study sims; while in the former you should expect some inaccuracies due to the sheer amount of different aircrafts and systems to model the goal of study sims is to model a single plane "to the switch". As such you should expect study sims to be very difficult to master, simply because modern jets are difficult to use.

 

Also ramp starts aren't exactly the benchmark you should use to judge a sim: apart from the fact that a start cheat is provided (exactly as it was in Black Shark) you can simply edit the mission you want to fly and make it start from the runway instead of the ramp. Difficulty should be judged on things like actually flying the plane, deploying munitions, avionics usage, etc.

 

Ultimately if you don't have the time or will to go through such a complicated process then I reckon there is no reason to play a study sim; this kind of "game" only rewards you if you try to strive for realism, turning it into yet another HAWX will simply make it dull and boring.

[TheMoose]

I agree,

 

hawxs is boring. On that I agree . But as a study sims I regress...

 

As for cheat sequence: check the attached it does not exist.

 

I would also agee on the learning curve. However that is my issue, not enought time, makes it unbarable and fustrating. It would us help us to have startup sequence cheat type....

 

Howerver that is just MO...(my opinion)

Edited October 3, 2011 by TheMoose

[cichlidfan]

At least with Blackshark we have a cheat combo startup sequence.

Bare with me, I can learn, I just don’t have the time. Please insert a quick cheat for startup sequence for DCS A10 for the remaining of us. That would be appreciated.

 

The key combo is RWin+Home to start, same as BS IIRC. But you still need all those buttons on the HOTAS unless you want to play in game mode.

 

The quick start guide in the Doc folder also has some basic operating instructions for weapons in either game or sim mode.

 

EDIT: You need to go to the pulldown in the upper left of your pic and select Sim mode instead of Game mode. Then you will see the cheat listed. Not sure why it is not listed in Game mode.

Edited October 1, 2011 by cichlidfan

[ericinexile]

Something doesn't make sense. You have the time and dedication to print the manual but lack the time and dedication to memorize the startup flow? Getting the jet ready for taxi is one of the easiest parts of the sim. Properly employing weapons and avoiding SAMs is the difficult part. And no I'm not flaming. I completely agree that learning this sim is a huge undertaking. You just don't sound like the typical customer to make this type of complaint. After all, you survived Flaming Cliffs--which isn't THAT easy--and Black Shark. 2 or 3 hours with the WH and it should click nicely.

[TheMoose]

Something doesn't make sense. You have the time and dedication to print the manual but lack the time and dedication to memorize the startup flow? Getting the jet ready for taxi is one of the easiest parts of the sim. Properly employing weapons and avoiding SAMs is the difficult part. And no I'm not flaming. I completely agree that learning this sim is a huge undertaking. You just don't sound like the typical customer to make this type of complaint. After all, you survived Flaming Cliffs--which isn't THAT easy--and Black Shark. 2 or 3 hours with the WH and it should click nicely.

 

Thats the privilege of having a prinshop at work:D

Edited October 3, 2011 by TheMoose

[jeffyd123]

I have a couple of friends who are in the same boat as you.. they dont have the free time to devote to A-10.

 

But, they have learned the basics and enjoy it as people do with any hobby.

 

I make missions for us that are usually hot pits and short fly in times. Usually we're done in an hour on a mission i make and its fun.

 

Its so great that there is a company out there making such an incredibly in-depth sim as this.

[Irregular programming]

I agree,

 

hawxs is boring. On that I agree . But as a study sims I regress...

 

As for cheat sequence: check the attached it does not exist.

 

I would also agee on the learning curve. However that is my issue, not enought time, makes it unbarable and fustrating. It would us help us to have startup sequence cheat type....

 

Howerver that is just MO...(my opinion)

 

Edit: i know go play bf3, wich I will and actualy plaiying the beta, however I needed to point this out before I delete this ''game''. But in return, I dont want to delete it. I just wish that more would be possible without a 5 inch manual

 

The default keypress is Home+RWin I don't know why you don't have it in your keymapper, have you updated the game to 1.0.0.9? Because it's there.

 

Also I don't know why you are so focused on the manual, there are great community made tutorials on youtube of everything you need to know. There is literary no need to even open the manual unless there is something specific you want to find out.

 

Also, most of the fun comes from learning the game, I don't see how you don't count that as gaming time because I sure did. :thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

The default keypress is Home+RWin I don't know why you don't have it in your keymapper, have you updated the game to 1.0.0.9? Because it's there.

 

Did you not read post #5 or look at the pic posted by the OP?;)

[Irregular programming]

Did you not read post #5 or look at the pic posted by the OP?;)

 

I missed your response.

 

And of course I saw the picture posted by the OP did you not read my post? :thumbup:

[MadTommy]

I actually find A10c easier than Blackshark.

 

One thing for sure is i can't play more than one DCS game.. just scrambles my brain / not enough time for soo many complex controls / systems..

 

Played FC then FC2 then BlackShark now A-10c... no way i could play 2 or 3 of them.. which is a shame.

 

I was however pleasantly surprised i could get in the pit after a month or so away.. was like riding a bike, just a rather complex one!

[Guest Fury_007]

I'm not sure about how people can give up on this sim. It took me all of 2-3 hours to learn all the basics. It's so easy now I could almost start the plane with my eyes closed. After about 20 hours i've pretty much mastered everything I want to do with the plane.

[cichlidfan]

After about 20 hours i've pretty much mastered everything I want to do with the plane.

 

I have to assume that there is not very much that you want to 'do with the plane'.;)

[Guest Fury_007]

I have to assume that there is not very much that you want to 'do with the plane'.;)

 

Lol. There are certain cdu functions I could care less about(for now), but will eventually learn them in the future. I would also like to learn more about the mission editor, but that really has nothing to do with flying. I mean I have mastered the important things like find targets and kill them without getting killed myself.

[cichlidfan]

Lol. There are certain cdu functions I could care less about(for now), but will eventually learn them in the future. I would also like to learn more about the mission editor, but that really has nothing to do with flying. I mean I have mastered the important things like find targets and kill them without getting killed myself.

 

I can accept that!:D

 

EDIT: If memory serves, I spent the first day just looking and saying WTF was I thinking!

Edited October 1, 2011 by cichlidfan

[ryyy]

I seem to feel differently in regards to your statements about how it takes too much time to learn things in DCS: A-10C...

 

This is my first ever sim game, EVER. I thought it looked great on YouTube videos and decided to buy it since I had extra cash laying around that I could put towards a game. I started it up and bam, I had an abrupt whack to the face on how you can't really just start the game and blow up everything out of the box. This is where I found the ED Forums and started reading. Not only that, finding the vets on the forums making very useful YouTube videos.

 

I can tell you one thing... never have I ever opened up the manual for this game. Yes the start-up sequence definitely looks like a lot to remember, but in my opinion the fact that in the cockpit of the A10 you see you see all those switches, knobs, whistles, and horns, it makes it seem like it's a lot more than it really is. When you do the tutorial provided by the training missions, it also makes it seems like it will take a long time and you need to do everything in order and precisely and etc because of the elongated explanations the Obama narrator rambles about. But I can honestly say it probably takes me a couple of minutes now to get the plane from ramp to taxi.

 

Now mind that I am a 23 year-old full time university student that is a full time general manger for three stores across two California counties. I play when I can and that is every other day. It's not the amount of time you need to invest in learning, its more of finding out what you need to know to do what you specifically want. Learn it, fly. Come across something you don't know about, repeat the process.

 

With that said, I feel like you should perhaps find an online group that fly all the time. I for one, play with Task Force Blackjack's 76th Tankbusters. I joined in on their Teamspeak from a quick invite by Kylania because I wanted to fly with experienced pilots. I went from, "How do you turn on nose wheel steering?" to last night, where I attempted a night time mid-air refuel and connected on my first attempt.

[711Hancer]

When you study, learn and achieve, DCS-A10C gives you the real feeling of a succession our manhood needs :)

[BIGNEWY]

I have been playing 4 weeks,

 

Love the the game, initial learning curve difficult but within 3 - 4 hours I had the start up procedure sorted.

 

DCS A-10 gives you an experience that no other game can.